1 00:00:06,079 --> 00:00:04,370 good afternoon and thank you for joining 2 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:06,089 us here at nasa's kennedy space center 3 00:00:09,290 --> 00:00:07,770 in florida for today's discussion on 4 00:00:11,150 --> 00:00:09,300 kennedy and the future of human space 5 00:00:12,830 --> 00:00:11,160 flight now that the space shuttles are 6 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:12,840 taking their places in locations across 7 00:00:16,730 --> 00:00:14,610 the country joining us for the 8 00:00:20,230 --> 00:00:16,740 discussion today are Bob Cabana director 9 00:00:22,550 --> 00:00:20,240 of Kennedy Space Center bill Hill 10 00:00:25,390 --> 00:00:22,560 assistant deputy associate administrator 11 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:25,400 for exploration systems development and 12 00:00:32,780 --> 00:00:28,410 Ed mango NASA's Commercial Crew program 13 00:00:34,850 --> 00:00:32,790 manager I'll turn it over to mr. Cuban 14 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:34,860 thanks kendriya hey it's a real pleasure 15 00:00:38,660 --> 00:00:37,050 to be here today to talk about que SES 16 00:00:41,389 --> 00:00:38,670 future tomorrow we got a big event going 17 00:00:44,150 --> 00:00:41,399 on we're going to move Atlantis out of 18 00:00:47,090 --> 00:00:44,160 the VA be on it's a little over nine 19 00:00:48,410 --> 00:00:47,100 mile journey to its new facility at our 20 00:00:50,119 --> 00:00:48,420 visitor center and that is going to 21 00:00:52,220 --> 00:00:50,129 really be special we've got a number of 22 00:00:55,490 --> 00:00:52,230 events planned throughout the day but it 23 00:00:58,580 --> 00:00:55,500 finally brings finality to our shuttle 24 00:01:01,369 --> 00:00:58,590 program phenomenal 30-year history in 25 00:01:04,009 --> 00:01:01,379 that program and it accomplished a great 26 00:01:06,679 --> 00:01:04,019 deal but we have not been standing still 27 00:01:08,660 --> 00:01:06,689 for the last year and I think with the 28 00:01:10,820 --> 00:01:08,670 end of the shuttle program now being 29 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:10,830 marked with Atlantis moving it to its 30 00:01:16,460 --> 00:01:14,010 new facility we have been focused on the 31 00:01:18,649 --> 00:01:16,470 future for more than a year we've gotten 32 00:01:21,469 --> 00:01:18,659 commercial cargo to the International 33 00:01:24,530 --> 00:01:21,479 Space Station and we have focused on 34 00:01:26,420 --> 00:01:24,540 what it takes to explore beyond our home 35 00:01:29,060 --> 00:01:26,430 planet once again and prepare these 36 00:01:30,859 --> 00:01:29,070 facilities to truly be that that multi 37 00:01:33,530 --> 00:01:30,869 user space board of the future what was 38 00:01:36,859 --> 00:01:33,540 once science fiction making it reality 39 00:01:38,929 --> 00:01:36,869 for both Commercial Crew and cargo and 40 00:01:41,810 --> 00:01:38,939 government crew and cargo to low-earth 41 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:41,820 orbit and Beyond so I think it'll be fun 42 00:01:44,749 --> 00:01:43,170 this afternoon to talk a little bit 43 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:44,759 about that talk about where we're going 44 00:01:49,910 --> 00:01:47,490 and the great strides that we've made in 45 00:01:52,789 --> 00:01:49,920 this last year with that I'm going to 46 00:01:54,050 --> 00:01:52,799 turn it over to Bill hill and he can 47 00:01:55,940 --> 00:01:54,060 talk a little bit about NASA 48 00:01:58,370 --> 00:01:55,950 headquarters perspective on all of this 49 00:02:01,760 --> 00:01:58,380 yeah thank you I appreciate being here 50 00:02:04,190 --> 00:02:01,770 this afternoon we had a really good Evie 51 00:02:05,780 --> 00:02:04,200 aid this morning just to let you know 52 00:02:09,229 --> 00:02:05,790 that the station is still up and running 53 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:09,239 we're doing 35 hours plus research a 54 00:02:13,430 --> 00:02:12,690 week which is which is our gold standard 55 00:02:18,490 --> 00:02:13,440 for 56 00:02:21,860 --> 00:02:18,500 really well on station we're back up to 57 00:02:25,490 --> 00:02:21,870 krula six we occasionally go to three 58 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:25,500 but we're planning you know obviously to 59 00:02:31,250 --> 00:02:28,890 keep the station going for another eight 60 00:02:34,250 --> 00:02:31,260 years or so and hopefully well beyond 61 00:02:35,570 --> 00:02:34,260 that we'll see how we do there we're 62 00:02:39,470 --> 00:02:35,580 working the exploration systems 63 00:02:41,150 --> 00:02:39,480 development programs ground systems 64 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:41,160 development and operations down here 65 00:02:47,510 --> 00:02:44,490 making great progress in in preparing 66 00:02:50,300 --> 00:02:47,520 this facility to launch the exploration 67 00:02:53,210 --> 00:02:50,310 our lunch the Space Launch System and 68 00:02:56,630 --> 00:02:53,220 Orion which we're shooting for in 69 00:02:59,780 --> 00:02:56,640 December of 2017 that's our target 70 00:03:06,440 --> 00:02:59,790 launch we're going to do a flight test 71 00:03:09,290 --> 00:03:06,450 of Orion in 2014 off of LC 30 or I'm 72 00:03:12,290 --> 00:03:09,300 sorry LC 41 over here on a Delta Phi 73 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:12,300 Delta for heavy we're going to test out 74 00:03:16,700 --> 00:03:13,890 the heat shield there and we're making 75 00:03:20,660 --> 00:03:16,710 progress there in the ONC that vehicle 76 00:03:22,990 --> 00:03:20,670 is being assembled today we should be 77 00:03:26,030 --> 00:03:23,000 proof presser proof pressure testing the 78 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:26,040 the command module sometime this week if 79 00:03:29,690 --> 00:03:27,810 we haven't done it already so we're 80 00:03:32,570 --> 00:03:29,700 making a lot of progress there and we're 81 00:03:36,050 --> 00:03:32,580 getting ready to go into the preliminary 82 00:03:37,910 --> 00:03:36,060 design review for the SLS later this 83 00:03:40,699 --> 00:03:37,920 year and have that complete by the end 84 00:03:42,290 --> 00:03:40,709 of the calendar year we're doing other 85 00:03:44,780 --> 00:03:42,300 things it's going to talk about 86 00:03:46,250 --> 00:03:44,790 Commercial Crew and cargo we're making 87 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:46,260 great strides there and bringing those 88 00:03:54,190 --> 00:03:49,650 partners on onboard we also have our 89 00:03:57,850 --> 00:03:54,200 launch services who are planning the 90 00:04:01,070 --> 00:03:57,860 launch of science payloads and 91 00:04:03,500 --> 00:04:01,080 spacecraft so we're really doing well 92 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:03,510 the biggest message is human spaceflight 93 00:04:07,490 --> 00:04:05,610 is not dead with rolling Atlantis to the 94 00:04:08,660 --> 00:04:07,500 visitor center we're doing a lot of 95 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:08,670 things we're planning for the future 96 00:04:14,810 --> 00:04:13,170 we're flying every day up on station and 97 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:14,820 making a lot of good progress air and 98 00:04:20,150 --> 00:04:17,330 with that I'll turn it over to add 99 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:20,160 thinks I'm glad that a station is doing 100 00:04:24,230 --> 00:04:22,770 well we are going to build a with our 101 00:04:25,670 --> 00:04:24,240 partners in industry we're going to 102 00:04:26,310 --> 00:04:25,680 build a capability to get that 103 00:04:28,860 --> 00:04:26,320 international 104 00:04:31,020 --> 00:04:28,870 Space Station and hopefully we'll do 105 00:04:33,150 --> 00:04:31,030 that in the next couple years The 106 00:04:37,290 --> 00:04:33,160 Commercial Crew program is is between 107 00:04:39,750 --> 00:04:37,300 here and JSC and it's really our NASA 108 00:04:43,530 --> 00:04:39,760 efforts in order to develop a u.s. 109 00:04:45,150 --> 00:04:43,540 capability that's safe reliable and 110 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:45,160 cost-effective for access to low-earth 111 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:48,130 orbit and annoying and doing so we 112 00:04:53,490 --> 00:04:51,370 really are creating two capabilities one 113 00:04:55,620 --> 00:04:53,500 is a public purpose in which we're 114 00:04:58,140 --> 00:04:55,630 trying to help industry create a 115 00:04:59,910 --> 00:04:58,150 capability so that it go anywhere on the 116 00:05:01,650 --> 00:04:59,920 earth orbit and really create business 117 00:05:03,810 --> 00:05:01,660 in low-earth orbit for the entire planet 118 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:03,820 to use that is led by the United States 119 00:05:08,130 --> 00:05:06,490 the second is a NASA purpose we need to 120 00:05:10,230 --> 00:05:08,140 come visit the space station as often as 121 00:05:12,060 --> 00:05:10,240 possible bring our scientists than our 122 00:05:14,430 --> 00:05:12,070 astronauts and engineers up to the space 123 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:14,440 station and get them home safely and so 124 00:05:17,660 --> 00:05:15,970 that's the second part of our overall 125 00:05:20,970 --> 00:05:17,670 purpose of the Commercial Crew program 126 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:20,980 as you know we awarded I cap we called 127 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:23,890 CCI cap back in August all three 128 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:25,570 partners we have an I Kapoor doing 129 00:05:30,900 --> 00:05:27,250 outstanding their meeting our milestones 130 00:05:32,850 --> 00:05:30,910 really on time this past week there 131 00:05:34,770 --> 00:05:32,860 isn't anything slow about Commercial 132 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:34,780 Crew this past week we really had three 133 00:05:38,580 --> 00:05:36,970 milestones with each of the partners so 134 00:05:40,260 --> 00:05:38,590 my team was spread out throughout the 135 00:05:42,630 --> 00:05:40,270 country and I would have to say that 136 00:05:44,670 --> 00:05:42,640 there's a program that is working all 137 00:05:48,390 --> 00:05:44,680 corners of the nation its commercial 138 00:05:50,490 --> 00:05:48,400 crew right now we did a made a review in 139 00:05:52,890 --> 00:05:50,500 space X out in LA just a few days ago 140 00:05:55,350 --> 00:05:52,900 which was their requirements review for 141 00:05:56,910 --> 00:05:55,360 their integrated system an outstanding 142 00:05:58,830 --> 00:05:56,920 review and we're following on with a 143 00:06:00,740 --> 00:05:58,840 number of meetings with an engineer's 144 00:06:04,050 --> 00:06:00,750 both this weekend or next couple weeks 145 00:06:05,970 --> 00:06:04,060 Sierra Nevada out in Colorado also had 146 00:06:07,950 --> 00:06:05,980 their review on her baseline design for 147 00:06:09,840 --> 00:06:07,960 an integrated system not just their 148 00:06:12,050 --> 00:06:09,850 dream chaser but also how they plan to 149 00:06:14,250 --> 00:06:12,060 use that with our atlas 5 vehicle 150 00:06:15,930 --> 00:06:14,260 outstanding effort there a three day 151 00:06:17,460 --> 00:06:15,940 review that went into great details 152 00:06:20,310 --> 00:06:17,470 about how they're moving forward with 153 00:06:22,530 --> 00:06:20,320 their design and boeing had a production 154 00:06:24,150 --> 00:06:22,540 design review not too long ago and this 155 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:24,160 week they finished out that review and 156 00:06:28,590 --> 00:06:26,170 completed that milestone of how they 157 00:06:30,060 --> 00:06:28,600 plan to build their vehicle the steps it 158 00:06:31,050 --> 00:06:30,070 is going to take to build their vehicle 159 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:31,060 and the steps is going to take to 160 00:06:35,340 --> 00:06:32,650 integrate it with their launch vehicle 161 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:35,350 which is also an ALICE right now Boeing 162 00:06:38,170 --> 00:06:36,610 plans to build that vehicle right here 163 00:06:39,370 --> 00:06:38,180 at Kennedy Space Center 164 00:06:41,050 --> 00:06:39,380 and plans to build a couple of those 165 00:06:44,379 --> 00:06:41,060 vehicles not just for the NASA business 166 00:06:47,590 --> 00:06:44,389 but like I said also for capability to 167 00:06:50,529 --> 00:06:47,600 move other folks into low-earth orbit 168 00:06:51,999 --> 00:06:50,539 and do other science so space is moving 169 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:52,009 forward human spaceflights moving 170 00:06:56,439 --> 00:06:54,530 forward with all those activities we 171 00:06:58,480 --> 00:06:56,449 also have a contract under solicitation 172 00:07:00,310 --> 00:06:58,490 today and we plan a war data in February 173 00:07:02,140 --> 00:07:00,320 of next year and that is really to get 174 00:07:04,629 --> 00:07:02,150 into the details of what it takes to fly 175 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:04,639 NASA astronauts on any vehicle that 176 00:07:11,230 --> 00:07:06,770 might want to be designed in order to 177 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:11,240 carry crew to the ISS capability overall 178 00:07:16,510 --> 00:07:13,970 we plan to start flight testing in 2014 179 00:07:19,270 --> 00:07:16,520 timeframe in fact under I cap one of our 180 00:07:20,860 --> 00:07:19,280 partners is going to fly to vehicle two 181 00:07:22,779 --> 00:07:20,870 launches right from here at the cape and 182 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:22,789 when other partners are going to fly 183 00:07:27,070 --> 00:07:24,970 sierra de is going to fly a number of 184 00:07:29,710 --> 00:07:27,080 test flights out of Edwards Air Force 185 00:07:33,100 --> 00:07:29,720 bases landing as a landing capability to 186 00:07:37,330 --> 00:07:33,110 prove their their their vehicle command 187 00:07:38,890 --> 00:07:37,340 safely and all that will begin over the 188 00:07:40,870 --> 00:07:38,900 next couple years and we'll do real 189 00:07:42,370 --> 00:07:40,880 flight testing of complete systems in 190 00:07:44,620 --> 00:07:42,380 the twenty fourteen to twenty sixteen 191 00:07:47,740 --> 00:07:44,630 timeframe and then hopefully flight crew 192 00:07:50,170 --> 00:07:47,750 certified by NASA the flight crew in the 193 00:07:52,149 --> 00:07:50,180 middle of 2017 that's our plan and we 194 00:07:54,689 --> 00:07:52,159 are really on track to to meet that 195 00:07:57,580 --> 00:07:54,699 planners to go forward so even with 196 00:08:00,189 --> 00:07:57,590 Atlantis now rolling over to its new 197 00:08:02,589 --> 00:08:00,199 location it is certainly not the end of 198 00:08:04,390 --> 00:08:02,599 human spaceflight it is a change in 199 00:08:06,670 --> 00:08:04,400 chapter of which Commercial Crew is just 200 00:08:09,010 --> 00:08:06,680 a piece of the overall change the United 201 00:08:11,980 --> 00:08:09,020 States is making towards exploration and 202 00:08:14,409 --> 00:08:11,990 low Earth orbit and far beyond thank you 203 00:08:16,659 --> 00:08:14,419 first questions for Bob can you tell us 204 00:08:18,580 --> 00:08:16,669 a little bit about the changes that have 205 00:08:20,439 --> 00:08:18,590 been taking place here at Kennedy and to 206 00:08:23,379 --> 00:08:20,449 support future launches I think the most 207 00:08:26,140 --> 00:08:23,389 visible changes here at launch complex 208 00:08:27,850 --> 00:08:26,150 39 if you look out at the pads pad B is 209 00:08:29,980 --> 00:08:27,860 totally different from patty all the 210 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:29,990 shuttle infrastructure is gone we've 211 00:08:36,069 --> 00:08:32,810 been working diligently to bring it up 212 00:08:38,409 --> 00:08:36,079 to speed to support a new clean pad 213 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:38,419 concept with a mobile launcher that is 214 00:08:41,649 --> 00:08:40,370 specific to a rocket where you could 215 00:08:43,959 --> 00:08:41,659 have multiple mobile launchers for 216 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:43,969 different Rockets rolling out there now 217 00:08:48,370 --> 00:08:45,410 that that's a long ways down the road 218 00:08:50,470 --> 00:08:48,380 but right now we're making it suitable 219 00:08:51,870 --> 00:08:50,480 for the Space Launch System and I've 220 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:51,880 promised 221 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:53,530 mr. Hill here and and bill Gerstenmaier 222 00:08:59,550 --> 00:08:57,370 that KSC will not be the reason that we 223 00:09:01,980 --> 00:08:59,560 don't launch on time in 2017 will have a 224 00:09:03,870 --> 00:09:01,990 quality product on time and within 225 00:09:06,060 --> 00:09:03,880 budget and we've made huge progress 226 00:09:07,470 --> 00:09:06,070 towards that out there at the pad 227 00:09:09,510 --> 00:09:07,480 there's a state-of-the-art lightning 228 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:09,520 protection system refurbished propellant 229 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:12,490 distribution systems digital controls 230 00:09:18,860 --> 00:09:15,250 that the pad fiber optics going back to 231 00:09:21,930 --> 00:09:18,870 a newly refurbished firing control room 232 00:09:25,230 --> 00:09:21,940 firing control room one totally updated 233 00:09:27,810 --> 00:09:25,240 and it can be modified again to support 234 00:09:30,510 --> 00:09:27,820 multiple customers much more efficiently 235 00:09:32,730 --> 00:09:30,520 and I think of all the things you know 236 00:09:34,290 --> 00:09:32,740 we've seen this transition coming since 237 00:09:36,180 --> 00:09:34,300 the day I got here four years ago we 238 00:09:38,100 --> 00:09:36,190 have been focused on what do we need to 239 00:09:40,530 --> 00:09:38,110 do to take care of the workforce as best 240 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:40,540 we can and to put NASA and our nation in 241 00:09:46,020 --> 00:09:42,850 the best position to support the future 242 00:09:48,660 --> 00:09:46,030 and future exploration I think it's 243 00:09:50,790 --> 00:09:48,670 right to turn low-earth orbit over to 244 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:50,800 commercial operations and his team are 245 00:09:55,980 --> 00:09:53,650 doing a fantastic job working through 246 00:09:59,400 --> 00:09:55,990 the space act agreement process and 247 00:10:01,770 --> 00:09:59,410 eventually to a contract to get someone 248 00:10:04,770 --> 00:10:01,780 that can fly us to the space station and 249 00:10:06,990 --> 00:10:04,780 then we are focusing on exploring beyond 250 00:10:08,670 --> 00:10:07,000 our home planet and it really is hard 251 00:10:11,820 --> 00:10:08,680 it's a huge challenge when you consider 252 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:11,830 what's required to make that happen but 253 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:13,810 the team has made tremendous progress 254 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:16,330 for and I I mean we've turned the corner 255 00:10:22,590 --> 00:10:19,330 we are focused on the future in what it 256 00:10:25,830 --> 00:10:22,600 takes to make that happen in two really 257 00:10:27,990 --> 00:10:25,840 modify KSC you know more than just for 258 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:28,000 heavy lift but to make it support 259 00:10:32,730 --> 00:10:30,250 multiple users both commercial and 260 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:32,740 governments it would make great progress 261 00:10:37,710 --> 00:10:35,770 I gotta back up to Atlantis just one 262 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:37,720 quick thing I think it's a you know I 263 00:10:41,090 --> 00:10:39,610 we've all followed where the shuttles 264 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:41,100 have gone I mean it's gotten tremendous 265 00:10:46,350 --> 00:10:44,650 public interest and if you look at each 266 00:10:48,150 --> 00:10:46,360 one of them I mean each is being 267 00:10:50,070 --> 00:10:48,160 displayed in a unique way and I think 268 00:10:52,620 --> 00:10:50,080 it's really cool you got discovery that 269 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:52,630 looks like it just rolled in to the 270 00:10:57,270 --> 00:10:54,850 hangar after coming off the runway and 271 00:10:58,950 --> 00:10:57,280 endeavour and its final configuration is 272 00:11:01,500 --> 00:10:58,960 going to look like it's ready ready to 273 00:11:04,790 --> 00:11:01,510 launch on a stack with a launch 274 00:11:06,079 --> 00:11:04,800 structure around it but Atlantis and I 275 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:06,089 partial I think it's going to be the 276 00:11:09,889 --> 00:11:08,490 coolest here at KSC it's actually going 277 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:09,899 to be mounted on a pedestal with the 278 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:11,850 payload bay doors open so it looks like 279 00:11:19,579 --> 00:11:14,610 it's actually flying in space and I want 280 00:11:21,620 --> 00:11:19,589 to commend the the team here at KSC and 281 00:11:24,230 --> 00:11:21,630 our contractor civil service team in 282 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:24,240 transition on the shuttles the care 283 00:11:29,090 --> 00:11:26,610 which they have shown those orbiters 284 00:11:32,150 --> 00:11:29,100 even in transition preparing them for 285 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:32,160 the millions of people that are going to 286 00:11:35,980 --> 00:11:33,810 see him it was just like they were 287 00:11:40,100 --> 00:11:35,990 getting them ready to go fly in space a 288 00:11:42,680 --> 00:11:40,110 great care great concern doing the out 289 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:42,690 scanning job that they do right up until 290 00:11:48,650 --> 00:11:46,010 the very end and you know even though 291 00:11:50,449 --> 00:11:48,660 we're not flying them anymore they're 292 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:50,459 going to continue to tell their story 293 00:11:53,930 --> 00:11:52,170 there are millions of people that are 294 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:53,940 going to be able to share in what we 295 00:11:56,990 --> 00:11:55,290 have accomplished and see them up close 296 00:11:59,000 --> 00:11:57,000 and personal I think that's really cool 297 00:12:00,800 --> 00:11:59,010 that is great and with the after 30 298 00:12:03,050 --> 00:12:00,810 years of shuttle experience and with 299 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:03,060 Kennedy being ready for multicenter or 300 00:12:07,100 --> 00:12:05,250 multi users bill can you tell us a 301 00:12:09,380 --> 00:12:07,110 little bit about how Commercial Crew 302 00:12:11,780 --> 00:12:09,390 Orion and SLS kind of fit in the big or 303 00:12:13,850 --> 00:12:11,790 larger NASA exploration picture but 304 00:12:15,560 --> 00:12:13,860 we're looking at one of the activities 305 00:12:18,829 --> 00:12:15,570 we have under ground systems development 306 00:12:20,990 --> 00:12:18,839 operations is a activity called 21st 307 00:12:24,139 --> 00:12:21,000 century launch complex initiative and 308 00:12:26,389 --> 00:12:24,149 we're used applying those funds and 309 00:12:28,730 --> 00:12:26,399 those activities to try to make sure 310 00:12:32,510 --> 00:12:28,740 that we can have a multi-use facility 311 00:12:34,790 --> 00:12:32,520 here so we can do other commercial 312 00:12:36,290 --> 00:12:34,800 entities or even the Air Force is 313 00:12:39,260 --> 00:12:36,300 talking about coming here to do some 314 00:12:41,060 --> 00:12:39,270 launching strata launchers is looking at 315 00:12:42,980 --> 00:12:41,070 a potential of coming here so we're 316 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:42,990 looking at a myriad of different launch 317 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:46,410 capabilities launch processing 318 00:12:52,189 --> 00:12:49,050 capabilities and this will be the focal 319 00:12:54,380 --> 00:12:52,199 point I think for the distant future for 320 00:12:56,900 --> 00:12:54,390 human spaceflight both commercial and 321 00:13:00,079 --> 00:12:56,910 government sponsored or NASA sponsor 322 00:13:02,300 --> 00:13:00,089 absolutely i mean real estate just says 323 00:13:05,060 --> 00:13:02,310 yeah this is the place to come I mean 324 00:13:06,889 --> 00:13:05,070 we've got the real estate and we have 325 00:13:09,620 --> 00:13:06,899 the facilities and the technical 326 00:13:11,780 --> 00:13:09,630 expertise it makes que hacia a natural 327 00:13:13,370 --> 00:13:11,790 choice along those lines on 21st launch 328 00:13:14,689 --> 00:13:13,380 century we're also working with the Air 329 00:13:16,850 --> 00:13:14,699 Force in the range in the last two years 330 00:13:18,170 --> 00:13:16,860 we spent ten million dollars a year 331 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:18,180 helping to improve 332 00:13:25,220 --> 00:13:23,370 the range that's great so with with the 333 00:13:26,389 --> 00:13:25,230 tooth prove the program's here we've got 334 00:13:28,639 --> 00:13:26,399 SLS and Orion it would obviously 335 00:13:29,930 --> 00:13:28,649 launched from kennedy ed could you tell 336 00:13:31,519 --> 00:13:29,940 us a little bit about what the launch 337 00:13:34,430 --> 00:13:31,529 services from commercial providers would 338 00:13:36,170 --> 00:13:34,440 be yeah oh yes it's very good for the 339 00:13:37,610 --> 00:13:36,180 Space Coast all three of our providers 340 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:37,620 today are going to fly right here from 341 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:42,330 the Space Coast either using today if 342 00:13:47,540 --> 00:13:44,610 these three partners continue either 343 00:13:51,139 --> 00:13:47,550 using a falcon 9 rocket of LC 40 or an 344 00:13:52,670 --> 00:13:51,149 atlas 5 today out of out of LC 41 and 345 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:52,680 that's really for the early portion of 346 00:13:56,810 --> 00:13:55,290 the program as time goes on there might 347 00:13:58,699 --> 00:13:56,820 be other launch vehicles I want to get 348 00:14:00,889 --> 00:13:58,709 into the mix to try to launch crew as 349 00:14:02,540 --> 00:14:00,899 well and we'll work that with our 350 00:14:04,699 --> 00:14:02,550 partnerships so the good news is all 351 00:14:08,060 --> 00:14:04,709 three will be watching from here I 352 00:14:10,430 --> 00:14:08,070 believe that like I said if blowing 353 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:10,440 continues all the way through they're 354 00:14:14,630 --> 00:14:11,730 going to end up building their vehicles 355 00:14:16,699 --> 00:14:14,640 here and I believe that both Sarah and 356 00:14:18,470 --> 00:14:16,709 SpaceX will be new in significant work 357 00:14:20,570 --> 00:14:18,480 here just like to do with the cargo 358 00:14:22,490 --> 00:14:20,580 version of Dragon there's a lot of 359 00:14:24,650 --> 00:14:22,500 experiments that could put together and 360 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:24,660 get put in the dragon vehicle bore fort 361 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:26,970 flies all that is done here and then of 362 00:14:30,590 --> 00:14:29,250 course the vehicle is is getting ready 363 00:14:32,980 --> 00:14:30,600 for launch and launched out of here too 364 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:32,990 so that the launch business for 365 00:14:37,370 --> 00:14:35,250 commercial and for human space flight 366 00:14:40,340 --> 00:14:37,380 will be quite active over the next 367 00:14:42,050 --> 00:14:40,350 couple years I won't be as routine every 368 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:42,060 three or four months as shuttle but it'd 369 00:14:47,750 --> 00:14:44,250 be different we'll have cargo missions 370 00:14:50,210 --> 00:14:47,760 flying every once in a while now out of 371 00:14:52,970 --> 00:14:50,220 alcy 40 with time we're going to have a 372 00:14:55,699 --> 00:14:52,980 test flight of Orion flying off a delta 373 00:14:58,370 --> 00:14:55,709 and we'll have some test flights in 2014 374 00:15:00,590 --> 00:14:58,380 for SpaceX for commercial crew program 375 00:15:02,630 --> 00:15:00,600 and then with time we'll be doing all 376 00:15:05,300 --> 00:15:02,640 kinds of flights in the 14 15 and 16 377 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:05,310 time frame as test flights for for 378 00:15:09,470 --> 00:15:06,690 commercial crew so it's going to be an 379 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:09,480 exciting time and we're at the right now 380 00:15:12,769 --> 00:15:11,130 in the middle of that design phase in 381 00:15:14,870 --> 00:15:12,779 2012 and two years from now are we 382 00:15:17,030 --> 00:15:14,880 flying ports portions of those vehicles 383 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:17,040 it'll be great opportunity and you 384 00:15:20,930 --> 00:15:18,690 mentioned Boeing coming here and you 385 00:15:23,150 --> 00:15:20,940 know I would be remiss if I didn't 386 00:15:25,010 --> 00:15:23,160 mention the outstanding partnership that 387 00:15:26,810 --> 00:15:25,020 we have with the the state of Florida 388 00:15:28,970 --> 00:15:26,820 through space Florida and the agreements 389 00:15:31,929 --> 00:15:28,980 that we put in place to get opf Bay 3 390 00:15:34,239 --> 00:15:31,939 turned over to space Florida so that it 391 00:15:36,339 --> 00:15:34,249 they made it available for Boeing to 392 00:15:38,439 --> 00:15:36,349 utilize that facility and we're 393 00:15:40,869 --> 00:15:38,449 continuing to work with space Florida on 394 00:15:42,579 --> 00:15:40,879 other facilities hopefully attracting 395 00:15:44,499 --> 00:15:42,589 more work here into the excess capacity 396 00:15:45,939 --> 00:15:44,509 that we have it only makes sense that 397 00:15:49,269 --> 00:15:45,949 you know if we have something that we 398 00:15:52,179 --> 00:15:49,279 have absolutely no use for in the Space 399 00:15:55,269 --> 00:15:52,189 Launch System our exploration beyond 400 00:15:57,129 --> 00:15:55,279 Earth program you know we ought to be 401 00:15:59,469 --> 00:15:57,139 able to find a way to bring other work 402 00:16:01,329 --> 00:15:59,479 into those facilities and we've got a 403 00:16:04,059 --> 00:16:01,339 number of agreements and work and more 404 00:16:05,919 --> 00:16:04,069 coming this whole industry government 405 00:16:08,349 --> 00:16:05,929 partnership is a new way of doing 406 00:16:10,210 --> 00:16:08,359 business not only with the state but 407 00:16:11,710 --> 00:16:10,220 also even in Commercial Crew all these 408 00:16:13,259 --> 00:16:11,720 partners are bringing their own funds to 409 00:16:14,919 --> 00:16:13,269 the table to bring in our own 410 00:16:16,899 --> 00:16:14,929 capabilities to the table from 411 00:16:19,419 --> 00:16:16,909 throughout the country to work with NASA 412 00:16:22,449 --> 00:16:19,429 and together we do this this is not a 413 00:16:23,859 --> 00:16:22,459 standard government and then we we have 414 00:16:26,049 --> 00:16:23,869 a contract and we tell them what the go 415 00:16:27,789 --> 00:16:26,059 do it's very much a partnership I think 416 00:16:31,059 --> 00:16:27,799 the work that space Florida is doing 417 00:16:33,759 --> 00:16:31,069 here certainly adds help or adds to the 418 00:16:35,769 --> 00:16:33,769 overall idea of it's a it's a national 419 00:16:38,319 --> 00:16:35,779 partnership in order to go continue to 420 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:38,329 be number one in space one of the things 421 00:16:43,479 --> 00:16:39,970 we're doing is we're building up for 422 00:16:46,659 --> 00:16:43,489 supportive SLS and Orion especially in 423 00:16:48,789 --> 00:16:46,669 the vab is one example where we're 424 00:16:50,759 --> 00:16:48,799 putting together platforms that are 425 00:16:53,439 --> 00:16:50,769 going to be vertically adjustable 426 00:16:55,929 --> 00:16:53,449 they're going to have a section in the 427 00:16:59,859 --> 00:16:55,939 center will be able to drop in an insert 428 00:17:03,429 --> 00:16:59,869 to match up either the SLS or another 429 00:17:05,889 --> 00:17:03,439 launch vehicle as those folks come so 430 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:05,899 we're keeping in mind that we want to be 431 00:17:10,419 --> 00:17:07,730 flexible we're keeping in mind that we 432 00:17:12,879 --> 00:17:10,429 want to be a multi-user facility here at 433 00:17:14,439 --> 00:17:12,889 Kennedy so we're we're doing things the 434 00:17:17,619 --> 00:17:14,449 right way I think getting away from the 435 00:17:20,559 --> 00:17:17,629 vehicle centric infrastructure that 436 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:20,569 we've had for four decades and we have 437 00:17:24,069 --> 00:17:22,490 taken it into great consideration in all 438 00:17:25,569 --> 00:17:24,079 the designs that we've done so far i 439 00:17:27,309 --> 00:17:25,579 mean the the foresight that the Apollo 440 00:17:30,249 --> 00:17:27,319 guys had when they built the vab the 441 00:17:32,830 --> 00:17:30,259 ability to modify it it transitioned 442 00:17:35,529 --> 00:17:32,840 from Apollo to shuttle and now we're 443 00:17:37,180 --> 00:17:35,539 making it an even better transition to 444 00:17:39,369 --> 00:17:37,190 the future ensuring that it is not 445 00:17:42,070 --> 00:17:39,379 vehicle specific that accommodates that 446 00:17:44,289 --> 00:17:42,080 vehicle but as well as others I've been 447 00:17:44,580 --> 00:17:44,299 following what's going on in the high 448 00:17:49,289 --> 00:17:44,590 bay 449 00:17:51,419 --> 00:17:49,299 three and they said yeah we're taking 450 00:17:52,799 --> 00:17:51,429 you know one of the shuttle platforms on 451 00:17:54,570 --> 00:17:52,809 you think of a platform it's just 452 00:17:56,519 --> 00:17:54,580 something you stand on and the ec 453 00:17:58,019 --> 00:17:56,529 picture of it I mean it's bigger than a 454 00:17:59,370 --> 00:17:58,029 house and it's you know they've lifted 455 00:18:01,380 --> 00:17:59,380 it out of there and are moving out of 456 00:18:03,630 --> 00:18:01,390 there so again another area where we've 457 00:18:07,169 --> 00:18:03,640 made great progress in refurbishing the 458 00:18:10,019 --> 00:18:07,179 VAB and also the the mobile transporter 459 00:18:11,909 --> 00:18:10,029 you know that's being empty to as being 460 00:18:13,830 --> 00:18:11,919 totally redone it's got new diesel 461 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:13,840 engines all kinds of great stuff and 462 00:18:17,190 --> 00:18:15,730 we're going to be running a test here in 463 00:18:20,190 --> 00:18:17,200 the next couple weeks actually run it 464 00:18:21,870 --> 00:18:20,200 out to the pate and pick up the mobile 465 00:18:23,940 --> 00:18:21,880 launch platform that's out there and 466 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:23,950 check out all the systems that we've 467 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:25,570 modified on it then I'll come back and 468 00:18:29,850 --> 00:18:28,090 the barnum will replace the bearings on 469 00:18:31,590 --> 00:18:29,860 it next but it's going to be able to 470 00:18:33,510 --> 00:18:31,600 handle that that new heavy-lift rocket 471 00:18:37,710 --> 00:18:33,520 it's going to be a great the mobile 472 00:18:40,529 --> 00:18:37,720 transporter for years to come so along 473 00:18:42,269 --> 00:18:40,539 with SLS and Orion we've got to a lot of 474 00:18:44,130 --> 00:18:42,279 things going on for our partners that we 475 00:18:45,750 --> 00:18:44,140 we want to come to Kennedy but along 476 00:18:47,820 --> 00:18:45,760 with the partnerships we also have 477 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:47,830 competitions so ed could you explain a 478 00:18:51,659 --> 00:18:49,450 little bit about the competition in your 479 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:51,669 program and how that benefits the agency 480 00:18:57,450 --> 00:18:55,210 um sure absolutely you know one of the 481 00:19:00,120 --> 00:18:57,460 best things about competition is overall 482 00:19:01,620 --> 00:19:00,130 it lowers the price of the service when 483 00:19:04,980 --> 00:19:01,630 you're looking for the service at the 484 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:04,990 end today we have two partners under 485 00:19:08,360 --> 00:19:07,090 cargo that has orbital and SpaceX and 486 00:19:11,730 --> 00:19:08,370 they both have different approaches 487 00:19:13,590 --> 00:19:11,740 SpaceX brings cargo to the space station 488 00:19:15,210 --> 00:19:13,600 and then we'll retrieve cargo and we 489 00:19:18,659 --> 00:19:15,220 just saw that very successfully in last 490 00:19:19,919 --> 00:19:18,669 few days orbital is just about to fly 491 00:19:22,380 --> 00:19:19,929 their first mission in the next couple 492 00:19:25,380 --> 00:19:22,390 months and and they will be able to 493 00:19:27,810 --> 00:19:25,390 supply additional cargo to space station 494 00:19:29,820 --> 00:19:27,820 and then bring whatever needs to be done 495 00:19:31,019 --> 00:19:29,830 terms of trash and that kind of thing 496 00:19:33,539 --> 00:19:31,029 and bring that back into the atmosphere 497 00:19:36,060 --> 00:19:33,549 this way station can remain as efficient 498 00:19:38,460 --> 00:19:36,070 as possible competition is key if for 499 00:19:40,230 --> 00:19:38,470 commercial crew we had seven partners 500 00:19:42,870 --> 00:19:40,240 under our commercial crew to development 501 00:19:46,620 --> 00:19:42,880 we now have three partners on there CCI 502 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:46,630 cap I sometimes we refer to the team is 503 00:19:51,850 --> 00:19:48,730 if you look at what we do or what we all 504 00:19:54,610 --> 00:19:51,860 go out and buy from iPads and nooks and 505 00:19:57,340 --> 00:19:54,620 and kindle fires that competition is is 506 00:19:58,750 --> 00:19:57,350 key to what you want to go by if you 507 00:20:00,070 --> 00:19:58,760 want something a certain size or 508 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:00,080 something made by a certain manufacture 509 00:20:03,580 --> 00:20:01,730 you go do that but that competition 510 00:20:06,100 --> 00:20:03,590 keeps that price down and I think that's 511 00:20:09,250 --> 00:20:06,110 one reason why there's a new apple mini 512 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:09,260 pad or whatever they call it in order to 513 00:20:12,460 --> 00:20:10,850 go compete and I think that's what you 514 00:20:14,740 --> 00:20:12,470 get when you have competition you get 515 00:20:16,360 --> 00:20:14,750 all of our partners wanting to meet our 516 00:20:18,460 --> 00:20:16,370 requirements wanting to transport NASA 517 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:18,470 crew they want to do it for the least 518 00:20:21,610 --> 00:20:20,330 amount of cost and they want to try to 519 00:20:25,120 --> 00:20:21,620 meet our requirements if we had one 520 00:20:27,039 --> 00:20:25,130 partner one contractor then we would pay 521 00:20:28,510 --> 00:20:27,049 whatever that contractor required us to 522 00:20:30,039 --> 00:20:28,520 pay and therefore the price would 523 00:20:32,169 --> 00:20:30,049 probably overall higher in fact all of 524 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:32,179 our analysis we've done indicates that 525 00:20:37,090 --> 00:20:35,450 would be about twice the price and wippa 526 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:37,100 daba have a lot more discussion about 527 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:38,570 requirements because of the cannot meet 528 00:20:42,130 --> 00:20:40,850 a requirement or they had to do design 529 00:20:43,539 --> 00:20:42,140 changes mean a requirement they would 530 00:20:45,789 --> 00:20:43,549 come with a bill and then we would have 531 00:20:47,919 --> 00:20:45,799 to talk about what that cost versus the 532 00:20:50,020 --> 00:20:47,929 requirement itself and you have at least 533 00:20:52,030 --> 00:20:50,030 two three four companies all in 534 00:20:53,950 --> 00:20:52,040 competition with each other they want to 535 00:20:56,860 --> 00:20:53,960 meet your requirements just again like 536 00:20:58,720 --> 00:20:56,870 Airbus and Boeing trying to buy or sell 537 00:21:00,070 --> 00:20:58,730 commercial aircraft they want to meet 538 00:21:01,900 --> 00:21:00,080 the customer demand they want to meet 539 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:01,910 the customers requirements and they try 540 00:21:05,140 --> 00:21:03,410 to do it the best way they can for the 541 00:21:06,370 --> 00:21:05,150 best price and that's exactly what we 542 00:21:08,260 --> 00:21:06,380 have going on with commercial crew today 543 00:21:10,120 --> 00:21:08,270 excellent so while the commercial folks 544 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:10,130 focus on getting to the station NASA 545 00:21:13,990 --> 00:21:13,010 will focus on going deeper into space so 546 00:21:15,490 --> 00:21:14,000 bill could you tell me a little bit 547 00:21:17,950 --> 00:21:15,500 about some of the advancements that you 548 00:21:20,470 --> 00:21:17,960 expect on deep space exploration well 549 00:21:23,890 --> 00:21:20,480 we're working right now at capability 550 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:23,900 and we're working and evolvable system 551 00:21:28,810 --> 00:21:27,290 with the Space Launch System where we're 552 00:21:32,350 --> 00:21:28,820 going to start out with a 70 metric ton 553 00:21:35,020 --> 00:21:32,360 capability evolved to about 100 510 554 00:21:37,930 --> 00:21:35,030 metric ton and then go to ultimately to 555 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:37,940 130 what we're finding is there's only 556 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:39,890 handful of missions that we can conceive 557 00:21:44,919 --> 00:21:43,010 that will need 130 metric ton and that's 558 00:21:47,820 --> 00:21:44,929 primarily going to Mars which is our 559 00:21:50,500 --> 00:21:47,830 ultimate destination we're looking at 560 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:50,510 destinations now we're looking at what 561 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:52,850 we might do with the capabilities that 562 00:21:59,530 --> 00:21:57,290 we have and progressing that way it's a 563 00:22:01,740 --> 00:21:59,540 little bit different than saying Apollo 564 00:22:03,590 --> 00:22:01,750 or or even shuttle where we had a 565 00:22:06,049 --> 00:22:03,600 destination or 566 00:22:07,730 --> 00:22:06,059 it's actually more like shuttle where we 567 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:07,740 had a capability to do multiple 568 00:22:12,020 --> 00:22:10,530 different things in low-earth orbit our 569 00:22:14,360 --> 00:22:12,030 goal is to do things beyond low-earth 570 00:22:16,190 --> 00:22:14,370 orbit and that's where we're going and I 571 00:22:19,820 --> 00:22:16,200 think the key there is it's a capability 572 00:22:21,980 --> 00:22:19,830 driven sustainable architecture that can 573 00:22:24,590 --> 00:22:21,990 evolve to what we need it to be and 574 00:22:27,710 --> 00:22:24,600 we're utilizing a lot of the existing 575 00:22:29,360 --> 00:22:27,720 hardware and technology that is required 576 00:22:31,850 --> 00:22:29,370 to make it successful I was over at 577 00:22:33,500 --> 00:22:31,860 Stennis a couple weeks ago for an engine 578 00:22:35,659 --> 00:22:33,510 test I actually got to see George and 579 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:35,669 fire their rocket engine over there but 580 00:22:39,620 --> 00:22:37,890 a one over from some other meetings on 581 00:22:43,100 --> 00:22:39,630 some collaboration between the center's 582 00:22:44,810 --> 00:22:43,110 and I saw those 15's SMEs all packaged 583 00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:44,820 up there at the rocketdyne facility 584 00:22:52,010 --> 00:22:49,440 waiting for use on sls so I think you 585 00:22:53,299 --> 00:22:52,020 know that's important too yeah and 586 00:22:56,330 --> 00:22:53,309 that's one thing we're doing with this 587 00:22:58,159 --> 00:22:56,340 approach we're trying to be as 588 00:23:00,140 --> 00:22:58,169 affordable as we can because we're in a 589 00:23:03,049 --> 00:23:00,150 constrained fiscal environment we're 590 00:23:07,159 --> 00:23:03,059 trying to stay within a budget so we're 591 00:23:09,740 --> 00:23:07,169 using 15 16 s SMEs for the first few 592 00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:09,750 missions we're going to throw them all 593 00:23:17,210 --> 00:23:12,000 the way anyway after that will evolve 594 00:23:19,039 --> 00:23:17,220 into a disposable ssme basically where 595 00:23:20,779 --> 00:23:19,049 we're looking at new manufacturing 596 00:23:22,370 --> 00:23:20,789 techniques that are lower the cost of 597 00:23:23,930 --> 00:23:22,380 each of those since we are going to 598 00:23:26,659 --> 00:23:23,940 throw them away we don't need to 599 00:23:28,549 --> 00:23:26,669 necessarily the robustness of multiple 600 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:28,559 engine starts with those because we're 601 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:32,010 just to test them once at Stennis excuse 602 00:23:36,799 --> 00:23:33,210 me and then bring them over here and do 603 00:23:41,090 --> 00:23:36,809 the do the launch we're looking at now 604 00:23:44,899 --> 00:23:41,100 using solid rocket motors like we had 605 00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:44,909 planned for for Ares one there an 606 00:23:48,529 --> 00:23:47,370 evolution from the shuttle solid rocket 607 00:23:50,360 --> 00:23:48,539 motors were going to use those for the 608 00:23:51,980 --> 00:23:50,370 first two launches and we're in the 609 00:23:57,230 --> 00:23:51,990 process of taking a look at advanced 610 00:23:59,510 --> 00:23:57,240 boosters and we've got four for small 611 00:24:03,520 --> 00:23:59,520 contracts out there now for the next 30 612 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:03,530 months to take a look at various aspects 613 00:24:10,340 --> 00:24:06,450 manufacturing capabilities looking at a 614 00:24:12,230 --> 00:24:10,350 LOX RP engine and looking at other 615 00:24:14,210 --> 00:24:12,240 capabilities so we're trying to be as 616 00:24:15,950 --> 00:24:14,220 affordable as we can we're trying to 617 00:24:17,299 --> 00:24:15,960 make advantech Nicole advancements in 618 00:24:21,470 --> 00:24:17,309 the meantime 619 00:24:22,999 --> 00:24:21,480 and I neglecting to talk to this when I 620 00:24:28,279 --> 00:24:23,009 in my opening remarks but in the 621 00:24:32,230 --> 00:24:28,289 meantime we're using a lot of NASA civil 622 00:24:34,369 --> 00:24:32,240 servants to take a look at technology 623 00:24:35,450 --> 00:24:34,379 developments capability developments 624 00:24:37,159 --> 00:24:35,460 that aren't necessarily on the critical 625 00:24:39,259 --> 00:24:37,169 path for the first two missions and 626 00:24:41,450 --> 00:24:39,269 these are advanced exploration systems 627 00:24:43,820 --> 00:24:41,460 and we're we're developing those around 628 00:24:46,009 --> 00:24:43,830 the country at the various centers some 629 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:46,019 here at kennedy's summit Johnson summit 630 00:24:50,930 --> 00:24:48,330 Marshall and other centers so we're 631 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:50,940 doing that to you know utilize the 632 00:24:56,989 --> 00:24:53,330 knowledge and capability that nASA has 633 00:24:59,720 --> 00:24:56,999 with a very small amount of procurement 634 00:25:02,659 --> 00:24:59,730 dollars do mostly in-house hands-on 635 00:25:05,570 --> 00:25:02,669 capability to build that capability and 636 00:25:06,889 --> 00:25:05,580 sustain that that knowledge base so 637 00:25:08,539 --> 00:25:06,899 we're doing that in parallel with us 638 00:25:11,450 --> 00:25:08,549 yeah one of the great examples is 639 00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:11,460 resolved here at KSC our folks that were 640 00:25:16,430 --> 00:25:12,720 looking at institute resource 641 00:25:19,159 --> 00:25:16,440 utilization for lunar missions building 642 00:25:20,749 --> 00:25:19,169 a package to go on a rover in 643 00:25:22,909 --> 00:25:20,759 conjunction with canada to launch to 644 00:25:25,249 --> 00:25:22,919 eventually go to the moon and you know 645 00:25:27,259 --> 00:25:25,259 seek out water on the moon and look at 646 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:27,269 the moon just like we're much smaller 647 00:25:32,299 --> 00:25:29,970 than the curiosity but getting some 648 00:25:35,180 --> 00:25:32,309 great hands-on work and doing some neat 649 00:25:38,529 --> 00:25:35,190 stuff here at KSC for that we had a 650 00:25:40,909 --> 00:25:38,539 question in the audience so right here 651 00:25:42,830 --> 00:25:40,919 mark r Adam of the talking space I've 652 00:25:45,350 --> 00:25:42,840 got a question about the current NASA 653 00:25:48,999 --> 00:25:45,360 astronauts for ed how are they involved 654 00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:49,009 with the Commercial Crew program 655 00:25:53,930 --> 00:25:52,320 participants what are they providing to 656 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:53,940 that effort what's their involvement a 657 00:25:58,480 --> 00:25:56,490 very good question first of all the 658 00:26:02,169 --> 00:25:58,490 deputy for the program is Brent Jett 659 00:26:04,759 --> 00:26:02,179 very good astronaut 44 times and I want 660 00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:04,769 crew members astronauts to be very much 661 00:26:08,029 --> 00:26:06,480 a part of the program because in the end 662 00:26:10,570 --> 00:26:08,039 they're the ones are gonna have to put 663 00:26:13,700 --> 00:26:10,580 and getting a seat and go fly the thing 664 00:26:16,190 --> 00:26:13,710 and so get them involved earlier helps 665 00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:16,200 everybody from the overall program 666 00:26:20,649 --> 00:26:18,240 standpoint we have a number of crew 667 00:26:23,299 --> 00:26:20,659 members that are assigned to the program 668 00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:23,309 they work still through the 669 00:26:26,509 --> 00:26:24,960 through national office they're not 670 00:26:28,549 --> 00:26:26,519 really assigned to the program but their 671 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:28,559 tasks are assigned to the program and so 672 00:26:32,180 --> 00:26:30,090 for each of our partners there is at 673 00:26:35,749 --> 00:26:32,190 least a prime astronaut that supports 674 00:26:37,639 --> 00:26:35,759 all of our milestones with with usually 675 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:37,649 one or two backup folks from the 676 00:26:42,379 --> 00:26:39,330 astronaut corps that are also with them 677 00:26:43,820 --> 00:26:42,389 and they're they they basically sit and 678 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:43,830 review all the same things that the rest 679 00:26:48,529 --> 00:26:45,450 of the engineering team is of course 680 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:48,539 their focus is how does how does it fit 681 00:26:52,820 --> 00:26:50,490 for them how do the handling 682 00:26:55,249 --> 00:26:52,830 characteristics for example in the 683 00:26:56,330 --> 00:26:55,259 Sierra Nevada vehicle very interested in 684 00:26:57,950 --> 00:26:56,340 how we're going to be able to do 685 00:27:00,739 --> 00:26:57,960 handling characteristics on the vehicle 686 00:27:02,930 --> 00:27:00,749 itself also how do the display is going 687 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:02,940 to work you know most of the astronauts 688 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:06,090 that we have assigned to SF loan and so 689 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:08,490 they they have experience of what was 690 00:27:13,940 --> 00:27:11,369 like in shuttle or from Soyuz and so now 691 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:13,950 they're taking an expertise in that and 692 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:15,690 and helping each of the partners with 693 00:27:18,649 --> 00:27:17,369 you might want to put this place here 694 00:27:19,820 --> 00:27:18,659 you might really want to have these kind 695 00:27:20,899 --> 00:27:19,830 of instruments right in front of you and 696 00:27:22,820 --> 00:27:20,909 these other ones could be more on the 697 00:27:24,649 --> 00:27:22,830 side that kind of thing so they're 698 00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:24,659 providing the human interface part of 699 00:27:29,889 --> 00:27:27,360 the discussion as time goes on we are 700 00:27:31,669 --> 00:27:29,899 going to move as we move into 701 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:31,679 certification of a couple of these 702 00:27:35,659 --> 00:27:33,690 vehicles we're going to end up having a 703 00:27:37,220 --> 00:27:35,669 joint team very much like the military 704 00:27:39,950 --> 00:27:37,230 would and which have a team of engineers 705 00:27:42,499 --> 00:27:39,960 and a team of astronauts flight crew 706 00:27:44,180 --> 00:27:42,509 members as well as a team from the 707 00:27:46,039 --> 00:27:44,190 company who might represent their flight 708 00:27:47,989 --> 00:27:46,049 crew and represent their engineering 709 00:27:51,109 --> 00:27:47,999 staff and all put them together to go 710 00:27:53,419 --> 00:27:51,119 work through the flight test activities 711 00:27:56,149 --> 00:27:53,429 at all I going to happen in order to get 712 00:27:59,299 --> 00:27:56,159 to a final certification and so as time 713 00:28:01,129 --> 00:27:59,309 goes on I expect this team will it's a 714 00:28:02,779 --> 00:28:01,139 partnership today but i expect the lines 715 00:28:04,850 --> 00:28:02,789 of the partnership to even get blurrier 716 00:28:07,249 --> 00:28:04,860 between whether or not they're wearing a 717 00:28:10,460 --> 00:28:07,259 blue suit with a nasa emblem on it or a 718 00:28:12,859 --> 00:28:10,470 company emblem on it very similar to way 719 00:28:16,399 --> 00:28:12,869 that fighters today are developed in the 720 00:28:17,869 --> 00:28:16,409 military you know along those lines when 721 00:28:19,609 --> 00:28:17,879 you talk about astronauts and their 722 00:28:22,430 --> 00:28:19,619 involvement I mean we always get asked 723 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:22,440 is this how you're going to think this 724 00:28:25,909 --> 00:28:24,450 is safe you know would you what about 725 00:28:27,889 --> 00:28:25,919 their design and how they're doing all 726 00:28:29,060 --> 00:28:27,899 this and stuff and cheetah I know the 727 00:28:30,139 --> 00:28:29,070 guys that are working there that are 728 00:28:31,639 --> 00:28:30,149 designing it when you talk about 729 00:28:33,259 --> 00:28:31,649 astronaut involvement i mean sierra 730 00:28:34,820 --> 00:28:33,269 nevada you got steve lindsey former 731 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:34,830 chief the astronaut office great test 732 00:28:40,370 --> 00:28:36,850 pilot jim boss 733 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:40,380 you got fergie work in there out at the 734 00:28:47,340 --> 00:28:44,650 SpaceX you know you oh shoot it just 735 00:28:50,550 --> 00:28:47,350 went brain dead yeah hey garrett reisman 736 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:50,560 is out there i mean these guys they're 737 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:52,090 not going to do something or build 738 00:28:56,940 --> 00:28:54,730 something we're all it's kind of a 739 00:28:58,680 --> 00:28:56,950 closed community we all kind of know 740 00:29:00,630 --> 00:28:58,690 each other and you're not going to put 741 00:29:02,300 --> 00:29:00,640 your friends at risk you're going to do 742 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:02,310 your very best to build something that 743 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:05,290 that they want to use know how to use 744 00:29:09,060 --> 00:29:07,570 and its safety is i would i would 745 00:29:11,220 --> 00:29:09,070 definitely agree and same thing with the 746 00:29:13,770 --> 00:29:11,230 engineers you know each of our companies 747 00:29:16,290 --> 00:29:13,780 are very a very different personality 748 00:29:18,690 --> 00:29:16,300 that is between SpaceX Sierra Nevada and 749 00:29:20,700 --> 00:29:18,700 Boeing very different personalities but 750 00:29:22,740 --> 00:29:20,710 all of them have the same core they want 751 00:29:24,180 --> 00:29:22,750 to build a vehicle that works they want 752 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:24,190 to be in a vehicle that is safe enough 753 00:29:29,750 --> 00:29:27,850 for not just a customer might be NASA 754 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:29,760 someday but also for their crew to fly 755 00:29:34,910 --> 00:29:32,530 and I think that's extremely important 756 00:29:38,610 --> 00:29:34,920 like like Bob said you know and when 757 00:29:40,290 --> 00:29:38,620 Steve Lindsey or Fergie is told while 758 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:40,300 you're the guy who might be flying it 759 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:42,250 and all the people working around you 760 00:29:45,330 --> 00:29:43,930 are from your company they're going to 761 00:29:47,730 --> 00:29:45,340 make sure you're going to have a safe 762 00:29:49,290 --> 00:29:47,740 flight and so I think safety yellow we 763 00:29:51,210 --> 00:29:49,300 put it in our requirements is really a 764 00:29:53,700 --> 00:29:51,220 culture that each of these companies is 765 00:29:55,830 --> 00:29:53,710 embracing and and in the end they're 766 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:55,840 going to be as safe as they possibly can 767 00:29:59,550 --> 00:29:57,010 be there are going to take different 768 00:30:01,260 --> 00:29:59,560 approaches to get to the same point but 769 00:30:03,390 --> 00:30:01,270 in the end they all want to be as safe 770 00:30:05,490 --> 00:30:03,400 as possible and meaning our requirements 771 00:30:08,010 --> 00:30:05,500 is definitely required it's mandatory 772 00:30:10,110 --> 00:30:08,020 but but in the end it's a culture that's 773 00:30:11,910 --> 00:30:10,120 going to be more important in order to 774 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:11,920 say that are we safe enough to go fly 775 00:30:15,690 --> 00:30:13,690 and I think all three companies with 776 00:30:19,500 --> 00:30:15,700 their crews as well as their engineers 777 00:30:21,450 --> 00:30:19,510 are going to go make sure it happens and 778 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:21,460 we're talking space thinking about the 779 00:30:25,290 --> 00:30:22,810 astronauts that are going to take these 780 00:30:28,110 --> 00:30:25,300 first flights who will it be would be a 781 00:30:32,010 --> 00:30:28,120 company astronaut or a NASA astronaut or 782 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:32,020 a combination and ce4 for commercial 783 00:30:36,580 --> 00:30:34,010 crew I'll speak and 784 00:30:39,370 --> 00:30:36,590 bill can speak from a for the other 785 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:39,380 missions I think when I was trying to 786 00:30:43,870 --> 00:30:41,050 explain earlier I think it'll be a mix I 787 00:30:47,140 --> 00:30:43,880 think as we move into our flight test 788 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:47,150 phases of certification there will be 789 00:30:52,090 --> 00:30:49,970 company astronauts and NASA astronauts 790 00:30:53,980 --> 00:30:52,100 working side by side and when the first 791 00:30:56,350 --> 00:30:53,990 vehicle gets ready to go fly and we 792 00:30:59,470 --> 00:30:56,360 announced the crew I think it might end 793 00:31:01,720 --> 00:30:59,480 up being a joint joint crew now that 794 00:31:03,970 --> 00:31:01,730 isn't in concrete yet in any regard but 795 00:31:05,410 --> 00:31:03,980 the idea is it's this partnership that's 796 00:31:07,540 --> 00:31:05,420 got to go make this happen whether we're 797 00:31:09,550 --> 00:31:07,550 in an essay or in a contract it's still 798 00:31:12,070 --> 00:31:09,560 partnership that says together we're 799 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:12,080 going to go to create a u.s. capability 800 00:31:16,330 --> 00:31:14,210 and so that it's blue suiters as well as 801 00:31:18,430 --> 00:31:16,340 folks from companies that are either X 802 00:31:20,860 --> 00:31:18,440 astronauts no longer with the astronaut 803 00:31:23,050 --> 00:31:20,870 corps or have come up through some other 804 00:31:29,980 --> 00:31:23,060 system in order to go be an astronaut on 805 00:31:32,670 --> 00:31:29,990 industry side James Dean with floor 806 00:31:34,900 --> 00:31:32,680 today mr. Cabana referencing your 807 00:31:38,170 --> 00:31:34,910 successful partnership today with space 808 00:31:39,700 --> 00:31:38,180 Florida the state recently asked you and 809 00:31:42,970 --> 00:31:39,710 NASA for some property at the north end 810 00:31:45,250 --> 00:31:42,980 of the center what's your opinion of 811 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:45,260 whether that's a good idea yeah well 812 00:31:50,710 --> 00:31:47,690 we're evaluating that request I'm 813 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:50,720 drafting a proposal now to help NASA 814 00:31:56,830 --> 00:31:54,050 headquarters respond to the lieutenant 815 00:31:58,990 --> 00:31:56,840 governor's letter and you know we are 816 00:32:01,990 --> 00:31:59,000 going to take a close look at it and 817 00:32:05,140 --> 00:32:02,000 provide a response that I think will be 818 00:32:06,820 --> 00:32:05,150 the right answer for for this area and 819 00:32:09,130 --> 00:32:06,830 for the state and for what we want to go 820 00:32:11,410 --> 00:32:09,140 do so it's under evaluation right now 821 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:11,420 and you know we'll see how it all works 822 00:32:18,340 --> 00:32:15,770 out but I mean definitely the shuttle 823 00:32:21,610 --> 00:32:18,350 landing facility portion of that we have 824 00:32:24,670 --> 00:32:21,620 put out an RFI requesting folks to 825 00:32:26,890 --> 00:32:24,680 provide us proposals for operating the 826 00:32:29,260 --> 00:32:26,900 shuttle landing facility as a commercial 827 00:32:32,620 --> 00:32:29,270 spaceport and we're in the process of 828 00:32:35,350 --> 00:32:32,630 evaluating that so I think that portion 829 00:32:37,450 --> 00:32:35,360 of the letter we're handling under an 830 00:32:39,820 --> 00:32:37,460 RFI and space Florida has responded to 831 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:39,830 that RFI and I have a team much like a 832 00:32:45,430 --> 00:32:42,770 source evaluation board evaluating this 833 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:45,440 proposals independently to choose which 834 00:32:48,970 --> 00:32:47,210 one is the best to 835 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:48,980 who we would go into negotiations with 836 00:32:53,529 --> 00:32:50,330 to take a look at that but there is 837 00:32:56,230 --> 00:32:53,539 commercial interest in operating the SLF 838 00:32:59,169 --> 00:32:56,240 as a spaceport as we move forward in the 839 00:33:00,639 --> 00:32:59,179 future just just to follow up can you 840 00:33:02,380 --> 00:33:00,649 speak it all to this idea of a 841 00:33:05,169 --> 00:33:02,390 commercial pad a state-run commercial 842 00:33:09,549 --> 00:33:05,179 pad and obviously what they proposed is 843 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:09,559 something that's outside your current 844 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:12,850 operational area does that fit your 845 00:33:17,529 --> 00:33:15,890 concept of a multi-user kennedy space 846 00:33:19,419 --> 00:33:17,539 center or does it indicate that there's 847 00:33:21,159 --> 00:33:19,429 a problem that a company that wants to 848 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:21,169 launch in this area does not want to do 849 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:25,610 it in here at 39 again James there's a 850 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:27,890 lot that has to be looked at before I 851 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:29,570 wouldn't give you a specific answer to 852 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:31,370 that right now I mean this is a 853 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:34,370 combination obviously for commercial 854 00:33:39,220 --> 00:33:36,610 launches the FAA has to certify them 855 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:39,230 safe to launch for government launches 856 00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:41,690 we work in conjunction with the 45th 857 00:33:47,529 --> 00:33:44,809 Space Wing in the range it all gets into 858 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:47,539 you know who owns the airspace and a lot 859 00:33:50,230 --> 00:33:48,890 of other things so there's a number of 860 00:33:53,139 --> 00:33:50,240 issues that we have to work through to 861 00:33:54,909 --> 00:33:53,149 get to a final answer and I honestly 862 00:33:57,039 --> 00:33:54,919 don't think that the the state of 863 00:33:59,289 --> 00:33:57,049 Florida expects an immediate answer on 864 00:34:01,180 --> 00:33:59,299 what the final you know solution is 865 00:34:02,529 --> 00:34:01,190 going to be we're going to take a look 866 00:34:04,090 --> 00:34:02,539 at it and we'll move forward after a 867 00:34:08,409 --> 00:34:04,100 proper evaluation and come up with the 868 00:34:10,750 --> 00:34:08,419 right solution I Stephen Clark with 869 00:34:13,329 --> 00:34:10,760 spaceflight now first a question for 870 00:34:15,010 --> 00:34:13,339 bill regarding advanced propulsion 871 00:34:16,930 --> 00:34:15,020 development that you're looking at for 872 00:34:19,690 --> 00:34:16,940 SLS particularly the advanced booster 873 00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:19,700 are you seeing much interest from the 874 00:34:24,250 --> 00:34:21,440 air force in that and are there any 875 00:34:26,919 --> 00:34:24,260 negotiations or could you describe them 876 00:34:29,050 --> 00:34:26,929 for cost-sharing yeah I'm not sure if I 877 00:34:33,310 --> 00:34:29,060 can give you the details but we are the 878 00:34:36,940 --> 00:34:33,320 last or the fourth package we are in 879 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:36,950 negotiations with and the Air Force is a 880 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:40,010 partner in that one and I apologize i 881 00:34:43,599 --> 00:34:41,290 don't remember off top my head which 882 00:34:46,180 --> 00:34:43,609 technology development that is but we're 883 00:34:51,430 --> 00:34:46,190 in the process of working with the Air 884 00:34:53,169 --> 00:34:51,440 Force working with the industry to to 885 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:53,179 come up with one of those booster all 886 00:35:03,110 --> 00:34:59,690 one more question for ED did you update 887 00:35:05,390 --> 00:35:03,120 me on CC to which partners have finished 888 00:35:07,790 --> 00:35:05,400 up that round and which are still to go 889 00:35:12,350 --> 00:35:07,800 when you expect them to finish okay well 890 00:35:14,660 --> 00:35:12,360 let's see for cc deaf to the only two 891 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:14,670 that are still have anything left to do 892 00:35:20,030 --> 00:35:18,210 on CC of 2 is a blue origin on a Seattle 893 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:20,040 in fact there are actual milestones are 894 00:35:26,060 --> 00:35:22,410 not completed we have to do a review of 895 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:26,070 the data they did a pusher pad xscape 896 00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:28,770 test a few weeks ago out at their test 897 00:35:34,070 --> 00:35:31,440 site in West Texas it was an outstanding 898 00:35:36,290 --> 00:35:34,080 test of that team has a really come 899 00:35:38,180 --> 00:35:36,300 together on some technology that we were 900 00:35:40,820 --> 00:35:38,190 working with them on on up on a pusher 901 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:40,830 xscape motor they work with their vendor 902 00:35:45,650 --> 00:35:43,290 who is a very good vendor who can help a 903 00:35:47,750 --> 00:35:45,660 number of different companies and and 904 00:35:50,660 --> 00:35:47,760 help them put together a system that 905 00:35:53,240 --> 00:35:50,670 would work in a that's what we that's 906 00:35:55,010 --> 00:35:53,250 what we were a part of durin CCF to the 907 00:35:56,690 --> 00:35:55,020 actual mission itself was extremely 908 00:36:01,820 --> 00:35:56,700 successful it was showing that you can 909 00:36:04,010 --> 00:36:01,830 abort off of basically a pad in a case 910 00:36:06,050 --> 00:36:04,020 and get high enough to where you can use 911 00:36:09,590 --> 00:36:06,060 parachutes to come back down and land 912 00:36:12,380 --> 00:36:09,600 safely and softly on the ground so the 913 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:12,390 Blue Origin work is the test is work is 914 00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:14,490 behind us now we're reviewing data and 915 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:17,760 we'll close out that that partnership 916 00:36:20,710 --> 00:36:19,170 with them probably the next month or two 917 00:36:22,820 --> 00:36:20,720 shortly before the end of the year 918 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:22,830 anyway although no one we have left is a 919 00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:25,890 Boeing milestone that is portion of 920 00:36:30,380 --> 00:36:28,800 their ground systems design at their 921 00:36:32,420 --> 00:36:30,390 preliminary design review for the ground 922 00:36:34,340 --> 00:36:32,430 systems that is their communication 923 00:36:37,700 --> 00:36:34,350 systems with the network and how they 924 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:37,710 communicate between their control center 925 00:36:42,350 --> 00:36:39,330 and their vehicle and that kind of thing 926 00:36:44,330 --> 00:36:42,360 and what we did there is they had a PDR 927 00:36:46,820 --> 00:36:44,340 or preliminary design review for the 928 00:36:49,370 --> 00:36:46,830 entire system of their other spacecraft 929 00:36:51,110 --> 00:36:49,380 the number of months ago normally the 930 00:36:52,829 --> 00:36:51,120 process would be you have that for the 931 00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:52,839 spacecraft and then you have 932 00:36:57,599 --> 00:36:55,930 you're PDRs for all your other support 933 00:37:00,029 --> 00:36:57,609 systems that would be supporting that 934 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:00,039 spacecraft and so what we did is we 935 00:37:02,759 --> 00:37:01,210 split that out because there really 936 00:37:03,779 --> 00:37:02,769 weren't ready yet to talk about the 937 00:37:04,979 --> 00:37:03,789 ground stuff because we're just 938 00:37:07,259 --> 00:37:04,989 finishing what to do with the flight 939 00:37:09,089 --> 00:37:07,269 stuff once they got done then they came 940 00:37:10,589 --> 00:37:09,099 turned around and started supporting on 941 00:37:12,959 --> 00:37:10,599 the ground and we'll have that milestone 942 00:37:14,249 --> 00:37:12,969 with them in a couple weeks and so they 943 00:37:17,700 --> 00:37:14,259 should also be done before they in the 944 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:17,710 year all the other partners for CC dev 945 00:37:22,410 --> 00:37:19,930 two are pretty much wrapped up except 946 00:37:24,299 --> 00:37:22,420 Sierra Nevada now Sierra Nevada you know 947 00:37:26,180 --> 00:37:24,309 they really took a bold step and they're 948 00:37:29,190 --> 00:37:26,190 building an engineering test article 949 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:29,200 that is right now and work at their 950 00:37:33,359 --> 00:37:31,690 plant in Boulder Colorado they'll be 951 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:33,369 shipping that to Edwards in the next 952 00:37:37,559 --> 00:37:35,650 month or two and then it'll go through 953 00:37:40,049 --> 00:37:37,569 some testing there and begin a free 954 00:37:42,630 --> 00:37:40,059 flight test really i think in january 955 00:37:44,759 --> 00:37:42,640 for wear it next year so those are the 956 00:37:46,349 --> 00:37:44,769 milestones are left to be done in terms 957 00:37:48,420 --> 00:37:46,359 of testing the only one that really has 958 00:37:49,859 --> 00:37:48,430 some big tests left is sierra nevada and 959 00:37:51,450 --> 00:37:49,869 we're looking forward to what they want 960 00:37:53,519 --> 00:37:51,460 to go do with their engineering test 961 00:37:58,680 --> 00:37:53,529 article of their dream chaser at 962 00:38:00,989 --> 00:37:58,690 january-february time frame i'm an 963 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:00,999 alayhi lofty ambitions blog and chapman 964 00:38:06,299 --> 00:38:04,450 magazine during the shuttle development 965 00:38:08,999 --> 00:38:06,309 reusability was equated with 966 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:09,009 affordability now you're talking about 967 00:38:13,859 --> 00:38:11,410 new manufacturing because the expensive 968 00:38:15,870 --> 00:38:13,869 robustness required for reuse is no 969 00:38:17,849 --> 00:38:15,880 longer necessary can you talk a little 970 00:38:20,759 --> 00:38:17,859 bit more about that shift in thinking 971 00:38:24,029 --> 00:38:20,769 and maybe how the budget shapes some of 972 00:38:27,359 --> 00:38:24,039 your decisions or your timelines we seem 973 00:38:30,599 --> 00:38:27,369 to go through cycles to history of do we 974 00:38:32,789 --> 00:38:30,609 use reusable like shuttle or do we you 975 00:38:37,259 --> 00:38:32,799 know go with the throwaway expendable 976 00:38:40,349 --> 00:38:37,269 stuff oddly enough the Russians are 977 00:38:42,269 --> 00:38:40,359 looking at a reusable activity the Air 978 00:38:44,309 --> 00:38:42,279 Force is looking at a reusable activity 979 00:38:47,299 --> 00:38:44,319 right now and we're kind of out of phase 980 00:38:49,589 --> 00:38:47,309 with the looking at expendable is it's 981 00:38:52,890 --> 00:38:49,599 we're looking at the most affordable way 982 00:38:55,829 --> 00:38:52,900 to get the capabilities we we need to 983 00:38:57,450 --> 00:38:55,839 get beyond low-earth orbit and and 984 00:38:59,099 --> 00:38:57,460 that's kind of what we're doing we've 985 00:39:03,059 --> 00:38:59,109 chosen the architecture basically 986 00:39:05,570 --> 00:39:03,069 because of the ability to use existing 987 00:39:09,410 --> 00:39:05,580 hardware to offset some of the cost 988 00:39:11,630 --> 00:39:09,420 in the early years of development we're 989 00:39:15,710 --> 00:39:11,640 in a flatline budget so we're trying to 990 00:39:19,490 --> 00:39:15,720 kind of tamp down the natural 991 00:39:20,780 --> 00:39:19,500 development curve that you get so we're 992 00:39:21,770 --> 00:39:20,790 looking at different ways of doing 993 00:39:26,780 --> 00:39:21,780 things we're looking at different ways 994 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:26,790 of doing insight with contractors data 995 00:39:30,710 --> 00:39:28,530 you know that we're asking for from the 996 00:39:34,490 --> 00:39:30,720 contractors were we're asking for a lot 997 00:39:35,930 --> 00:39:34,500 less data now so that's that's the kind 998 00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:35,940 of thing we're doing in affordability 999 00:39:43,370 --> 00:39:40,560 aspects and billing also comes down then 1000 00:39:45,290 --> 00:39:43,380 you know reusable versus expandable it 1001 00:39:47,570 --> 00:39:45,300 depends on what your flight rate is too 1002 00:39:49,490 --> 00:39:47,580 for example you know if you're flying a 1003 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:49,500 lot of the solid rocket motors we're 1004 00:39:54,470 --> 00:39:51,090 going to initially use five segments 1005 00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:54,480 solid rocket boosters on the SLS system 1006 00:39:58,220 --> 00:39:56,130 if you're only launching once a year 1007 00:40:00,170 --> 00:39:58,230 once every two years the whole 1008 00:40:02,930 --> 00:40:00,180 infrastructure that you need to recover 1009 00:40:05,900 --> 00:40:02,940 those rocket motors and refurbish them 1010 00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:05,910 is so expensive it's much less expensive 1011 00:40:10,700 --> 00:40:08,400 just to utilize the existing casings 1012 00:40:12,050 --> 00:40:10,710 that we have and not recover them plus 1013 00:40:13,670 --> 00:40:12,060 you don't have to have the parachute 1014 00:40:17,020 --> 00:40:13,680 recovery system on it so you get more 1015 00:40:20,330 --> 00:40:17,030 mass to to orbit more payload orbit so 1016 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:20,340 again it depends on the system the Orion 1017 00:40:25,940 --> 00:40:23,610 capsule is designed to be reusable you 1018 00:40:28,700 --> 00:40:25,950 know portions are refurbished ball so 1019 00:40:31,550 --> 00:40:28,710 yeah obviously if you had something that 1020 00:40:33,710 --> 00:40:31,560 was easily recoverable and could be 1021 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:33,720 reusable that would be less expensive 1022 00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:36,210 than building new each time but again 1023 00:40:40,610 --> 00:40:38,730 when you build for reusability there's a 1024 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:40,620 lot that goes into the reliability and 1025 00:40:44,690 --> 00:40:42,690 the increased cost to do that as opposed 1026 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:44,700 to something that you can just use once 1027 00:40:51,310 --> 00:40:47,490 and so there are numerous costs 1028 00:40:53,330 --> 00:40:51,320 trade-off that have to be made I 1029 00:40:55,220 --> 00:40:53,340 actually had a question you know nASA 1030 00:40:57,530 --> 00:40:55,230 has done a very good job lately of 1031 00:41:02,380 --> 00:40:57,540 sending robots into space so why the 1032 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:06,140 you know first off robots are the 1033 00:41:10,820 --> 00:41:08,490 precursors for humans and robots are 1034 00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:10,830 integral to all that we do in space 1035 00:41:15,770 --> 00:41:12,720 exploration maybe we use robots all the 1036 00:41:17,700 --> 00:41:15,780 time robotic arms you name it and and so 1037 00:41:21,089 --> 00:41:17,710 you know having 1038 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:21,099 the robots is key but in the end I mean 1039 00:41:25,770 --> 00:41:23,770 we've still yet to design a robot that 1040 00:41:29,240 --> 00:41:25,780 can think as well as a human that can 1041 00:41:32,460 --> 00:41:29,250 adapt as well that responds as well and 1042 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:32,470 truthfully from my point of view until a 1043 00:41:37,260 --> 00:41:35,170 human has set foot somewhere you really 1044 00:41:39,420 --> 00:41:37,270 haven't been there and you know that 1045 00:41:41,700 --> 00:41:39,430 that's exploration that's that's our DNA 1046 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:41,710 hour drive to explore to go beyond what 1047 00:41:45,839 --> 00:41:43,570 we know to learn and we're constantly 1048 00:41:48,089 --> 00:41:45,849 learning and you know we're going to get 1049 00:41:49,890 --> 00:41:48,099 there eventually you know we are going 1050 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:49,900 to have to learn how to live off planet 1051 00:41:56,099 --> 00:41:54,010 Earth and someday and we're we're at 1052 00:41:59,040 --> 00:41:56,109 toehold in the universe right now to be 1053 00:42:02,160 --> 00:41:59,050 able to do that to expand in and go 1054 00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:02,170 beyond our known limits and i think i 1055 00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:05,200 think the the entire planet lives 1056 00:42:11,820 --> 00:42:07,570 vicariously through our astronauts you 1057 00:42:14,370 --> 00:42:11,830 know they can live through and and get 1058 00:42:17,550 --> 00:42:14,380 immediate feedback from from astronauts 1059 00:42:21,030 --> 00:42:17,560 on on what they're experiencing and and 1060 00:42:22,890 --> 00:42:21,040 you know what they're seeing which yeah 1061 00:42:24,770 --> 00:42:22,900 you can send video back and forth and 1062 00:42:26,820 --> 00:42:24,780 that kind of thing with robots but 1063 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:26,830 there's nothing like the the 1064 00:42:31,349 --> 00:42:29,290 adaptability as Bob said of a human you 1065 00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:31,359 look at what we've done on station at 1066 00:42:35,930 --> 00:42:34,210 one time when we tour the tour the solar 1067 00:42:38,670 --> 00:42:35,940 array and we went out there and weaved a 1068 00:42:40,349 --> 00:42:38,680 repair so we could we could use it I 1069 00:42:44,579 --> 00:42:40,359 mean you couldn't do that with 1070 00:42:46,890 --> 00:42:44,589 necessarily with a with a robot in real 1071 00:42:49,530 --> 00:42:46,900 time and we did that in real time and 1072 00:42:51,900 --> 00:42:49,540 that's the kind of thing that you know 1073 00:42:53,130 --> 00:42:51,910 as we go forward we're going to take a 1074 00:42:54,900 --> 00:42:53,140 different approach to training our 1075 00:42:57,240 --> 00:42:54,910 astronauts wouldn't you know trained in 1076 00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:57,250 skills and capabilities we're going to 1077 00:43:04,770 --> 00:42:59,440 have to find something for them to do in 1078 00:43:09,109 --> 00:43:04,780 a long trip to to to Mars but ultimately 1079 00:43:13,530 --> 00:43:09,119 I just think we need the human the human 1080 00:43:15,810 --> 00:43:13,540 presence on site to to talk about what's 1081 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:15,820 what we're experiencing but having said 1082 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:17,770 that that was pretty darn cool that Mars 1083 00:43:22,470 --> 00:43:19,810 Curiosity rotation now and that was 1084 00:43:24,210 --> 00:43:22,480 absolutely phenomenal you know one of 1085 00:43:27,079 --> 00:43:24,220 the things one of the things that we 1086 00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:27,089 know if we had if we tell robotically 1087 00:43:31,839 --> 00:43:29,170 ran the rover 1088 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:31,849 you know Spirit and Opportunity from 1089 00:43:37,030 --> 00:43:35,690 Mars orbit we could achieve in three 1090 00:43:39,220 --> 00:43:37,040 weeks everything they've done over the 1091 00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:39,230 over the last several years and the 1092 00:43:42,670 --> 00:43:40,880 distance they've traveled you can 1093 00:43:43,630 --> 00:43:42,680 immediately do it as opposed to going a 1094 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:43,640 little bit and stopping and 1095 00:43:49,420 --> 00:43:46,010 reprogramming and so forth you can do 1096 00:43:53,140 --> 00:43:49,430 more in real time did you have any 1097 00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:53,150 comments on them well we just I think 1098 00:43:56,410 --> 00:43:55,040 Bob said some great things and I would 1099 00:43:59,740 --> 00:43:56,420 say you know we all can look at great 1100 00:44:02,349 --> 00:43:59,750 pictures of the Grand Canyon but until 1101 00:44:03,820 --> 00:44:02,359 you go and see the Grand Canyon it 1102 00:44:06,609 --> 00:44:03,830 doesn't have the same impact there's a 1103 00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:06,619 picture you can say that you're going to 1104 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:08,450 get from point A to point B and when you 1105 00:44:11,650 --> 00:44:09,890 have trouble with your car going from 1106 00:44:13,330 --> 00:44:11,660 point A to point B it's always good to 1107 00:44:15,940 --> 00:44:13,340 have some knowledge about how to fix the 1108 00:44:18,330 --> 00:44:15,950 car on the way so I think I addressed 1109 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:18,340 both of their thoughts about why 1110 00:44:22,839 --> 00:44:20,530 exploration is important with people 1111 00:44:24,970 --> 00:44:22,849 getting pictures from some place is 1112 00:44:27,970 --> 00:44:24,980 great getting our astronauts that we 1113 00:44:29,349 --> 00:44:27,980 live vicariously through to come back 1114 00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:29,359 and tell us what that experience was 1115 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:31,970 like and tell us would it what what it 1116 00:44:35,910 --> 00:44:33,290 means to be somewhere else and then 1117 00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:35,920 maybe to do science at those locations 1118 00:44:43,210 --> 00:44:40,970 helps I think human progress I don't see 1119 00:44:46,270 --> 00:44:43,220 any time in our in our history in which 1120 00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:46,280 we did not go exploring with people at 1121 00:44:50,380 --> 00:44:47,930 some point and yet you can say we got 1122 00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:50,390 smarter now we can send robots but the 1123 00:44:54,240 --> 00:44:52,160 human spirit wants to be there and I 1124 00:44:56,109 --> 00:44:54,250 think that's why we do human exploration 1125 00:44:59,050 --> 00:44:56,119 we have another question from the 1126 00:45:01,599 --> 00:44:59,060 audience I guess met i am john malkovich 1127 00:45:04,530 --> 00:45:01,609 and i'm from gog news and countdown Ted 1128 00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:04,540 this is directed towards director Cabana 1129 00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:06,890 the vehicle assembly building has a lot 1130 00:45:11,740 --> 00:45:09,050 of work going on and Atlantis is there 1131 00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:11,750 see just about whether to go to her new 1132 00:45:15,790 --> 00:45:13,130 home at the kennedy space center visitor 1133 00:45:18,220 --> 00:45:15,800 shadow and what are your feelings and 1134 00:45:21,250 --> 00:45:18,230 views both a former astronaut and 1135 00:45:26,260 --> 00:45:21,260 director of kennedy space center what am 1136 00:45:29,140 --> 00:45:26,270 I feeling well you know it's it's 1137 00:45:32,530 --> 00:45:29,150 bittersweet but I'm feeling great pride 1138 00:45:34,359 --> 00:45:32,540 I I feel great pride in what this team 1139 00:45:37,690 --> 00:45:34,369 has accomplished over the last 30 years 1140 00:45:39,700 --> 00:45:37,700 I feel great I've been I was there when 1141 00:45:41,890 --> 00:45:39,710 we're old atlanta side of the OPF i was 1142 00:45:42,609 --> 00:45:41,900 there when we closed the hatch for the 1143 00:45:44,650 --> 00:45:42,619 last four 1144 00:45:46,930 --> 00:45:44,660 discovery and endeavor to and I'll have 1145 00:45:48,700 --> 00:45:46,940 to admit it was a little more poignant 1146 00:45:50,859 --> 00:45:48,710 with discovery and endeavor because I 1147 00:45:55,029 --> 00:45:50,869 actually got to fly them I never got to 1148 00:45:56,529 --> 00:45:55,039 fly Atlantis but but still and I didn't 1149 00:45:59,920 --> 00:45:56,539 think it would be as emotional as it was 1150 00:46:03,009 --> 00:45:59,930 but it really is the team that has 1151 00:46:06,730 --> 00:46:03,019 processed these vehicles their family to 1152 00:46:09,670 --> 00:46:06,740 them and to be with them for this when 1153 00:46:12,249 --> 00:46:09,680 it happens that's special but again it's 1154 00:46:14,230 --> 00:46:12,259 taking great pride I really believe the 1155 00:46:17,140 --> 00:46:14,240 facility that we are going to have that 1156 00:46:20,410 --> 00:46:17,150 opens next year to display this vehicle 1157 00:46:22,599 --> 00:46:20,420 and tell the story of human space flight 1158 00:46:24,849 --> 00:46:22,609 in the shuttle program in the space 1159 00:46:27,279 --> 00:46:24,859 station program what we have done in the 1160 00:46:29,799 --> 00:46:27,289 last 30 years the Hubble Space Telescope 1161 00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:29,809 all of that is going to be encased in 1162 00:46:34,509 --> 00:46:31,970 this new facility it's going to be 1163 00:46:37,569 --> 00:46:34,519 phenomenal and to know that we are going 1164 00:46:40,269 --> 00:46:37,579 to be able to share that share that with 1165 00:46:42,940 --> 00:46:40,279 everybody that comes here that gives me 1166 00:46:45,609 --> 00:46:42,950 great pride that makes me happy so yeah 1167 00:46:47,890 --> 00:46:45,619 it you know it's kind of sad not to see 1168 00:46:49,720 --> 00:46:47,900 it going to fly in space but it really 1169 00:46:51,609 --> 00:46:49,730 makes me glad to know that we're going 1170 00:46:53,620 --> 00:46:51,619 to be able to share that with so many 1171 00:46:55,539 --> 00:46:53,630 millions of people to be able to tell 1172 00:46:58,660 --> 00:46:55,549 that story to let them share and what we 1173 00:47:00,880 --> 00:46:58,670 have experienced and see not only where 1174 00:47:04,779 --> 00:47:00,890 we've been but also the future where 1175 00:47:13,479 --> 00:47:04,789 we're going Julian you have a question 1176 00:47:15,519 --> 00:47:13,489 here Julian Lake America space Bob since 1177 00:47:17,499 --> 00:47:15,529 some boeing has taken opf number three 1178 00:47:19,420 --> 00:47:17,509 over how far along are they from turning 1179 00:47:22,450 --> 00:47:19,430 into a shuttle facility into a 1180 00:47:24,220 --> 00:47:22,460 production facility it's a ways off yet 1181 00:47:28,180 --> 00:47:24,230 space Florida has their contractor in 1182 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:28,190 there removing all the shuttle hardware 1183 00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:29,930 the the metal that was left in their the 1184 00:47:33,970 --> 00:47:32,210 platforms and stuff so they're their 1185 00:47:35,799 --> 00:47:33,980 ways off before they actually turned 1186 00:47:38,559 --> 00:47:35,809 that into a production facility now 1187 00:47:41,229 --> 00:47:38,569 that's a better question for space 1188 00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:41,239 Florida and their team to know exactly 1189 00:47:45,279 --> 00:47:43,609 what their schedule is I would I know 1190 00:47:47,650 --> 00:47:45,289 roughly what it is but you could get 1191 00:47:55,870 --> 00:47:47,660 more specifics from them so it's a ways 1192 00:48:01,610 --> 00:47:59,000 James Dean floor today a Samana de the 1193 00:48:06,380 --> 00:48:01,620 it's not inexpensive to go see Atlantis 1194 00:48:08,060 --> 00:48:06,390 tomorrow and I assume moving forward is 1195 00:48:09,890 --> 00:48:08,070 there any concern about just how 1196 00:48:12,170 --> 00:48:09,900 accessible atlantis will be and and I 1197 00:48:13,700 --> 00:48:12,180 mean granted a obviously phenomenal 1198 00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:13,710 facility that it's going to wind up in 1199 00:48:19,180 --> 00:48:17,610 and display but it's not like some of 1200 00:48:22,060 --> 00:48:19,190 the other sites where it's you know 1201 00:48:28,300 --> 00:48:22,070 basically free to to go take a look at 1202 00:48:31,220 --> 00:48:28,310 it's free is I believe the Smithsonian 1203 00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:31,230 first off anybody that ever worked on 1204 00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:33,210 the shuttle program gets to come see it 1205 00:48:39,230 --> 00:48:35,130 for free tomorrow we're having a 1206 00:48:40,910 --> 00:48:39,240 celebration and a signing ceremony and I 1207 00:48:43,430 --> 00:48:40,920 have made it clear that anybody that 1208 00:48:45,230 --> 00:48:43,440 ever worked on the shuttle contract or 1209 00:48:49,330 --> 00:48:45,240 government whatever that's been part of 1210 00:48:53,930 --> 00:48:49,340 this program here at KSC gets in to see 1211 00:48:58,040 --> 00:48:53,940 Atlantis tomorrow our visitors complex 1212 00:49:00,380 --> 00:48:58,050 is run without a single taxpayer dollar 1213 00:49:03,350 --> 00:49:00,390 no appropriated funds goes into the 1214 00:49:07,580 --> 00:49:03,360 operation of that visitors complex and 1215 00:49:10,490 --> 00:49:07,590 to be able to display that vehicle in a 1216 00:49:12,140 --> 00:49:10,500 world-class museum facility it has to be 1217 00:49:15,740 --> 00:49:12,150 paid for the Smithsonian runs on 1218 00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:15,750 taxpayer dollars okay the Kennedy 1219 00:49:21,890 --> 00:49:18,570 visitor center does not Delaware North 1220 00:49:25,310 --> 00:49:21,900 is a contractor that operates it us it 1221 00:49:28,370 --> 00:49:25,320 for us but that's all paid for through 1222 00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:28,380 what our visitors pay to get in to see 1223 00:49:33,830 --> 00:49:31,890 it and i think it's a it's a very fine 1224 00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:33,840 facility and it's getting better every 1225 00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:37,650 day but it is wonderful that the 1226 00:49:39,950 --> 00:49:38,850 shuttles will be able to be viewable 1227 00:49:41,900 --> 00:49:39,960 with the gentleman in the back actually 1228 00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:41,910 said that atlantis was dead and I'd like 1229 00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:43,650 to know your thoughts on they are the 1230 00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:45,690 transition on one program to another I 1231 00:49:50,630 --> 00:49:48,210 didn't hear that no way is spaceflight 1232 00:49:53,060 --> 00:49:50,640 dead at the Kennedy Space Center we are 1233 00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:53,070 alive and well and charging forward into 1234 00:49:59,000 --> 00:49:55,170 the future and and I think we have an 1235 00:50:00,590 --> 00:49:59,010 absolutely outstanding future so I don't 1236 00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:00,600 think anything's dead around here even 1237 00:50:04,670 --> 00:50:02,970 the things that maybe aren't flying are 1238 00:50:05,570 --> 00:50:04,680 still alive and well and telling their 1239 00:50:08,510 --> 00:50:05,580 story 1240 00:50:13,550 --> 00:50:08,520 yeah and I would say you know none of 1241 00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:13,560 these vehicles are or dead they all have 1242 00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:16,290 a no new purpose because when you have 1243 00:50:20,810 --> 00:50:18,570 eight year olds go walk around the 1244 00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:20,820 shuttle whether it be a Smithsonian or 1245 00:50:26,810 --> 00:50:24,480 out in California or here and you have 1246 00:50:28,700 --> 00:50:26,820 them with their parents sometimes that 1247 00:50:30,500 --> 00:50:28,710 motivates them enough to go get into 1248 00:50:33,830 --> 00:50:30,510 engineering or go get into teaching or 1249 00:50:37,700 --> 00:50:33,840 go get into sciences when just like 1250 00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:37,710 today before shuttles were in museums 1251 00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:40,010 you went in a Smithsonian and you saw 1252 00:50:45,860 --> 00:50:43,770 Lindbergh's airplane or you saw the we 1253 00:50:49,250 --> 00:50:45,870 saw a capsule from a mercury or an 1254 00:50:50,930 --> 00:50:49,260 Apollo and that motivates kids and 1255 00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:50,940 motivates people to say well this is 1256 00:50:56,240 --> 00:50:53,370 what America can do first and second it 1257 00:50:57,980 --> 00:50:56,250 motivates kids to say hey maybe I can be 1258 00:50:59,600 --> 00:50:57,990 a part of that in the future so I think 1259 00:51:02,150 --> 00:50:59,610 that's the mission for all three of 1260 00:51:03,470 --> 00:51:02,160 these vehicles including enterprise all 1261 00:51:04,910 --> 00:51:03,480 four of these vehicles as they go 1262 00:51:07,970 --> 00:51:04,920 forward is really to go help the next 1263 00:51:09,980 --> 00:51:07,980 generation of astronauts and explorers 1264 00:51:12,740 --> 00:51:09,990 and engineers I couldn't agree more and 1265 00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:12,750 when I was five years old we took a 1266 00:51:17,570 --> 00:51:14,850 train trip from Minneapolis to Baltimore 1267 00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:17,580 Maryland to see my my aunt my mom's 1268 00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:20,160 sister and we went to the Smithsonian 1269 00:51:25,550 --> 00:51:23,490 and I'm not kidding I remember 1270 00:51:27,260 --> 00:51:25,560 distinctly looking up and seeing the 1271 00:51:30,530 --> 00:51:27,270 spirit of st. Louis and the Wright Flyer 1272 00:51:32,630 --> 00:51:30,540 hanging from the ceiling and I said I 1273 00:51:34,130 --> 00:51:32,640 want to fly and I mean Charles Lindbergh 1274 00:51:35,630 --> 00:51:34,140 became one of my heroes he grew up in 1275 00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:35,640 Little Falls Minnesota I remember 1276 00:51:40,010 --> 00:51:37,200 driving through seeing the statue of him 1277 00:51:42,500 --> 00:51:40,020 on the way to the family farm and you 1278 00:51:45,020 --> 00:51:42,510 know that that sparked that initial 1279 00:51:49,220 --> 00:51:45,030 interest in wanting to fly and it worked 1280 00:51:51,380 --> 00:51:49,230 out for me we have another question for 1281 00:51:53,570 --> 00:51:51,390 the audience Phillips lost with NASA 1282 00:51:56,180 --> 00:51:53,580 Space Flight calm I think this is where 1283 00:51:57,890 --> 00:51:56,190 mr. Cabana um can you talk about what's 1284 00:52:00,890 --> 00:51:57,900 going to happen to the other to order 1285 00:52:04,010 --> 00:52:00,900 processing facility bays and also 1286 00:52:05,090 --> 00:52:04,020 there's the other integration cell in 1287 00:52:06,650 --> 00:52:05,100 the vehicle something what's going to 1288 00:52:10,220 --> 00:52:06,660 happen with high bay one and I guess 1289 00:52:12,590 --> 00:52:10,230 sabe too used to be a safe haven or are 1290 00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:12,600 these already plans for those at the 1291 00:52:18,270 --> 00:52:14,490 moment we're working in agreement for 1292 00:52:20,850 --> 00:52:18,280 opf Bay's one and two and hopefully 1293 00:52:23,340 --> 00:52:20,860 I'll have something soon here that I can 1294 00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:23,350 share with everybody but I think I think 1295 00:52:27,750 --> 00:52:25,090 folks are going to be happy with how 1296 00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:27,760 that all works out high bay one is 1297 00:52:31,830 --> 00:52:29,890 available for a commercial operator if 1298 00:52:33,660 --> 00:52:31,840 we've made that known to folks if 1299 00:52:38,940 --> 00:52:33,670 somebody would want to move in there and 1300 00:52:41,070 --> 00:52:38,950 utilize that it's there you know i'm not 1301 00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:41,080 sure that there's enough of a business 1302 00:52:47,310 --> 00:52:43,930 to have high bay 2 available also but 1303 00:52:49,170 --> 00:52:47,320 you know we've we've been very clear on 1304 00:52:52,020 --> 00:52:49,180 the facilities that we have available 1305 00:52:54,900 --> 00:52:52,030 and working in partnership with the 1306 00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:54,910 commercial industry and in the state 1307 00:53:02,060 --> 00:52:56,650 we're moving forward to make some of 1308 00:53:04,380 --> 00:53:02,070 that happen in hobby one for instance 1309 00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:04,390 will the shuttle platforms and that high 1310 00:53:08,820 --> 00:53:06,850 bay then stay in place for the time 1311 00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:08,830 being I am NOT going to pay to remove 1312 00:53:13,950 --> 00:53:10,810 them I have no use for that if somebody 1313 00:53:16,290 --> 00:53:13,960 wanted to come in and modify that for 1314 00:53:17,670 --> 00:53:16,300 another commercial rocket it would be at 1315 00:53:20,850 --> 00:53:17,680 their expense not the government's 1316 00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:20,860 expense we can't we can't afford that we 1317 00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:22,960 are making high bay 3 is going to be our 1318 00:53:28,250 --> 00:53:25,930 heavy lift high bay right now based on 1319 00:53:33,510 --> 00:53:28,260 the manifest that we see looking forward 1320 00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:33,520 one bay is plenty for stacking a rocket 1321 00:53:39,150 --> 00:53:35,290 between launches to meet our commitments 1322 00:53:40,890 --> 00:53:39,160 if someday in the future you know things 1323 00:53:42,780 --> 00:53:40,900 are really picking up and we're 1324 00:53:48,330 --> 00:53:42,790 launching big rockets all the time then 1325 00:53:49,260 --> 00:53:48,340 we can invest in high bay one also are 1326 00:53:51,180 --> 00:53:49,270 there any other questions in the 1327 00:53:58,830 --> 00:53:51,190 audience James will give you the last 1328 00:54:02,610 --> 00:53:58,840 one so just of course with Election Day 1329 00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:02,620 coming up have to ask if you know last 1330 00:54:07,020 --> 00:54:04,690 go-around saw some pretty big changes 1331 00:54:08,970 --> 00:54:07,030 for NASA ed you know probably wouldn't 1332 00:54:10,950 --> 00:54:08,980 be sitting here in this position if it 1333 00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:10,960 weren't for that what are the feelings 1334 00:54:16,350 --> 00:54:14,650 about if there's a change next week and 1335 00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:16,360 what the impacts might be and 1336 00:54:23,670 --> 00:54:20,170 uncertainty that all creates well first 1337 00:54:25,710 --> 00:54:23,680 off I won't speculate anyway and on how 1338 00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:25,720 things turn out all I can say is that we 1339 00:54:30,750 --> 00:54:28,090 have worked extremely hard as an agency 1340 00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:30,760 to come up with an architecture that 1341 00:54:34,030 --> 00:54:32,090 meets 1342 00:54:36,460 --> 00:54:34,040 esses and our country's need for the 1343 00:54:39,250 --> 00:54:36,470 future it supplies a heavy lift platform 1344 00:54:42,670 --> 00:54:39,260 that allows us to explore it enables 1345 00:54:45,610 --> 00:54:42,680 commercial space it keeps our science 1346 00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:45,620 community viable with expendable 1347 00:54:51,580 --> 00:54:47,090 launches through our launch services 1348 00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:51,590 program it's doing research technology 1349 00:54:56,410 --> 00:54:53,570 and development that furthers our 1350 00:54:58,090 --> 00:54:56,420 nation's goals and we are going to 1351 00:54:59,580 --> 00:54:58,100 continue to do that that's what we've 1352 00:55:01,750 --> 00:54:59,590 always done through all many 1353 00:55:04,180 --> 00:55:01,760 administrations and I see NASA 1354 00:55:06,310 --> 00:55:04,190 continuing to persevere and lead the way 1355 00:55:10,210 --> 00:55:06,320 in science and technology and space 1356 00:55:11,710 --> 00:55:10,220 exploration with that we're starting to 1357 00:55:13,300 --> 00:55:11,720 run out of our time so I'll give each of 1358 00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:13,310 you an opportunity to have some closing 1359 00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:15,890 remarks I think I pretty much said it 1360 00:55:22,740 --> 00:55:19,130 all Kendra thanks for the opportunity to 1361 00:55:25,030 --> 00:55:22,750 come here and share with you today I 1362 00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:25,040 truly believe we have an outstanding 1363 00:55:31,330 --> 00:55:29,210 future we are moving forward at a great 1364 00:55:32,710 --> 00:55:31,340 pace great things are happening and 1365 00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:32,720 we're going to continue to do that here 1366 00:55:37,240 --> 00:55:35,570 on the Space Coast and I hope you've 1367 00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:37,250 seen that there is a future in human 1368 00:55:41,350 --> 00:55:39,650 space flight a lot of folks think that 1369 00:55:43,900 --> 00:55:41,360 since the shuttle is gone that human 1370 00:55:47,530 --> 00:55:43,910 spaceflights dead but it is far from 1371 00:55:50,980 --> 00:55:47,540 dead were we're alive and kicking we're 1372 00:55:52,540 --> 00:55:50,990 on orbit every day with with the 1373 00:55:54,940 --> 00:55:52,550 International Space Station with our 1374 00:55:56,470 --> 00:55:54,950 international partners we've got a great 1375 00:55:58,900 --> 00:55:56,480 coalition they're interested in 1376 00:56:02,250 --> 00:55:58,910 exploration and we're talking with our 1377 00:56:06,550 --> 00:56:02,260 partners about ways that they might 1378 00:56:08,170 --> 00:56:06,560 might join us in the exploration so I 1379 00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:08,180 think the future is bright and I 1380 00:56:13,090 --> 00:56:10,690 appreciate you all coming today and 1381 00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:13,100 absolutely the futures is very bright 1382 00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:16,010 and I do think that when industry and 1383 00:56:19,930 --> 00:56:17,450 business get together with the 1384 00:56:22,450 --> 00:56:19,940 government we can do great things and I 1385 00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:22,460 think that's where the future lies for 1386 00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:24,530 low Earth orbit the whole purpose of 1387 00:56:29,170 --> 00:56:26,570 what we're doing with Commercial Crew is 1388 00:56:31,570 --> 00:56:29,180 is not just for NASA it's really to go 1389 00:56:33,790 --> 00:56:31,580 create a capability for anybody to get 1390 00:56:36,460 --> 00:56:33,800 to low-earth orbit and go create a way 1391 00:56:38,350 --> 00:56:36,470 a for business to expand within the 1392 00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:38,360 earth orbit you know the airline 1393 00:56:42,250 --> 00:56:40,610 industry was started with airmail by the 1394 00:56:44,530 --> 00:56:42,260 government and and then eventually 1395 00:56:46,720 --> 00:56:44,540 became an industry thing and a private 1396 00:56:49,180 --> 00:56:46,730 company thing and eventually became very 1397 00:56:51,910 --> 00:56:49,190 commercial so I think the commercial 1398 00:56:53,530 --> 00:56:51,920 part of the NASA portfolio is all about 1399 00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:53,540 being on a threshold of starting that 1400 00:56:57,880 --> 00:56:55,490 business environment for low Earth orbit 1401 00:57:00,340 --> 00:56:57,890 and creating a transportation system to 1402 00:57:02,770 --> 00:57:00,350 really exploit that business capability 1403 00:57:04,150 --> 00:57:02,780 in low-earth orbit well with that will 1404 00:57:05,530 --> 00:57:04,160 conclude today's discussion gentlemen 1405 00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:05,540 thank you for your time in your thoughts